Ep. #49 Dating A-List Celebrity Women in Hollywood with Antonio Sabato Jr.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] My pleasure, thank you for having me.

[Angel Donovan] Great. I wanted to get a little bit of a background quickly on where you've been and what you're up to. What is your background right now? What have you done during your career, just the highlights, and can you give us those and let us know what you're up to right now?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Right now, I'm in the process of doing a movie for Discovery ID, in a couple of weeks. It's called "The Heartbreakers." After that, I'll be doing a TV show, which is going to take me around the country, called "Fix It and Finish It." It's a renovations show that we're starting to shoot in April, and we'll be going to all the major cities in the country.

I pretty much go inside somebody's house and I'll be fixing one room inside and one outdoor room for RVs, treehouses, boats, apartments, buildings, anything. That should be a lot of fun, and that will take me through pretty much the end of the year.

[Angel Donovan] Great. You're married now, correct? I think you have three children?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I have three kids. I've been married for almost two years.

[Angel Donovan] Congratulations.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Thank you.

[Angel Donovan] You live in LA?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes.

[Angel Donovan] Great. Now, you've obviously been a celebrity for quite a while now. When it was it that you first, would you say, got to that celebrity status? What was the first moment when you know people started recognizing you, or you thought, "Yes, I'm a bit of a celebrity now?"

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I would say, one of my first jobs was doing a video with Janet Jackson, "The Love Will Never Do Without You." That video became one of the best videos in history, and I was so pleased to be part of it. People just recognized me, and they didn't quite know my name, but they knew what I looked like.

Literally, a few years after that, I was on General Hospital for two years, and that's when I started to have a really huge fan base, which to this day I still have. They're very loyal, so probably early 90s until now.

[Angel Donovan] Okay, great, early 90s. That's quite well, so twenty years or so. I understand that you've dated quite a number of well-known celebrity women. I believe some of these are Pamela Anderson, Madonna, and Jennifer Love Hewett. Could you give a few more details on that, who you've been seen with, dating, and so on, over the years?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, I had the pleasure to meet beautiful women, incredible women, women that pretty much are known all over the world, but I've always wanted to keep it private and to myself. My life was private to me, and the person that I was dating.

Now I can talk about it, but on the day, it was very private. I never went out to be seen, I never went out to be in the limelight with the people that I was seeing and being seen with. What can I say? I can't complain, but at the end of the day, I found the woman of my life and my dreams that I'm married to. It turned out to be great.

[Angel Donovan] Discretion was something I actually wanted to talk about a little bit. Do a lot of people in Hollywood make a lot of efforts to keep their dating lives discrete, or does it vary, and how difficult is it?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Some people enjoy being watched and being in the limelight. I take the other route. I don't live in Los Angeles. I say I live out in the outskirts, a private life to my family and my children, but you can choose to go to specific places and be seen, or you don't have to.

I guess it's a choice. You can't really go to the Ivy in Beverley Hills and go, "I don't want to be seen here." The photographers, the paparazzi are waiting there, plus I ride my motorcycle, so even if they try to follow me, they can't catch me. I'm always able to get away.

[Angel Donovan] Good job.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] It's true. When I go in, I go in, and I come out and I leave and nobody knows that I was there.

[Angel Donovan] Antonio, how many women would you say you've slept with to date?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I've lost count.

[Angel Donovan] How many relationships have you had?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Relationships? I've only had a few. I would say the relationships that I've had with the mothers of my children are the true relationships of my life, so I would say three.

[Angel Donovan] When you say relationships, were the rest one night stands, or were they maybe short flings, a month or so, and you don't classify that as a relationship?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, I think dating in general is not really a relationship. I think dating is a process in life where you just don't want to be too serious to somebody, or you find things about someone that you don't connect with, and you move on.

But relationships are different. That's when you start talking about the most important things, and what matters in life. Yes, dating I wouldn't consider relationships. One night stands? I didn't really have those, so I tried to build something and then sometimes it didn't work out.

[Angel Donovan] You've dated a lot of celebrities who aren't very accessible. That's the nature of Hollywood. How did you meet them? What was the typical situation?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] The typical situations would be probably ñ and I'm sure that all the celebrities can agree ñ parties, red carpets, things like that where you just know somebody who knows somebody else, and you get to meet someone and things connect.

In the process of being part of Hollywood, in that sense, you get to meet somebody, but it's interesting, when you're in that environment, all of a sudden things are in front of you and easy to access. You're in the same business or you talk about the same things, you know?

[Angel Donovan] Yes, I totally get it. These would be private parties, like at-home parties or special event parties, which are exclusive, right?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, to some degree. I mean, there's definitely not paparazzi in there, but these are events that you can be yourself and be surrounded your coworkers and people that you know or people that you want to work with or you're just trying to connect with for future projects, yes, for sure.

[Angel Donovan] Right. We're not talking about bars and clubs, really.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] No, no bars and clubs, no.

[Angel Donovan] Have you also dated a lot of non-celebrities, and how would you meet them? Would it be different?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] In those situations, that would probably somewhat the same, or just when you travel and you go to other places. It's great, what I do, because I get to travel a lot and meet a lot of interesting people.

Sometimes when you're away from Los Angeles, you can be yourself a little bit, in the night life events and places, because it's not LA. It's more free and you can just be yourself a little bit more. Traveling, sometimes I've meet, but once again, not clubs and those kinds of things.

[Angel Donovan] Do you have a lot of stories of women throwing themselves at you? There's a lot of stereotypes, of course, that we read in magazines and wherever. Would you say that those situations come up for you?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] They still come up to this day. I think when you marry, it's actually worse, because women sometimes, they feel like they want to fight for, "If I can get a married man, I can pretty much get anybody."

I'm pretty solid to my wife, to my relationship with her and my family, so they pretty much get it right away, but you can see people who are just trying to flirt, how they express themselves. I've been around the block, so I know right away and I see it coming.

[Angel Donovan] Great. Have you got any stories about that, surprising situations that came up, or crazy stories where these situations got a bit out of hand or something?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, sometimes ñ it's funny to me, when I hear about conversations with sometimes a married woman, and we're talking about it, it comes down to, "How's your life, how's my life, are you happy being married," and all of a sudden, they start talking about, "Well, I'm not really happy," and they try to come around from left field about it, going, "Well, if I tell him that I'm not happy, maybe he'll say he's not happy."

It's just like that. It's a big game of lies and manipulation, and that goes all over the world. It's just how people do things nowadays, and with all the technology and things that we have, you're sometimes at the right place.

You can pretty much come up with a whole new story, but I see it, and I enjoy it. I'm amused from it. I'm a happy dude, so I don't take it to heart, but at the end of the day, I'm married, I'm faithful to my wife, and that's how it's going to be.

[Angel Donovan] Great. It sounds pretty subtle, the way most people bring this up. Are those celebrities you're talking about, mostly, or would you say non-celebs are pretty -

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Oh, everybody. It doesn't matter. We're all humans, so it all comes down to what kind of life, what kind of relationship or [INAUDIBLE 00:11:42]. You take marriage and relationships in general, so anybody. I think it all comes down to how you were raised.

But in the celebrity world sometimes, you see it more, because they feel like they can tell you anything they want and there's no worries there. "I'm a celebrity, I can talk about whatever I want," but it's obvious. You can see it. It's fun. I sit back and I laugh sometimes about stuff that they want to talk about.

[Angel Donovan] Great. Once you met someone, what would be the typical dates you would do, when it's a celebrity? Is it anything different to what you would normally do? Is it dinner, or what kind of things would you do when you're dating?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] It would be dinner. It would be somewhere where it's not in the limelight. I would take her to a more reclusive place, nice, obviously, where you can be left alone. There's many places like that, so when I hear about celebrities not being able to go to close, confined places, that's not true.

There's a lot of great places that will never know you're there. That's what I would do. I want to be left alone, and when I have a conversation, you want to talk to someone, you don't want to be bothered, that's what I would do.

[Angel Donovan] I'm just going to go through what I'm assuming would be a typical thing. You'd meet them in one of these parties, and maybe you switch numbers relatively discretely or not, and then you'd start texting and stuff and then set up a dinner date or whatever. Is that how it would go, normally?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, or to make it even safer, we can both meet up somewhere and get to know each other at one place and then take it from there very slow, a place that she's comfortable, places I'm comfortable, where I could pick her up or whatever. Usually you want to offer to be a gentleman about everything, but sometimes they feel like, "Well, I just want to meet you there and get to know each other and go from there."

[Angel Donovan] Was it a pretty slow progression, or fast, or does it really vary person by person?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Sometimes it'd be fast, sometimes things would just click right away and maybe you've seen each other for a while, maybe you've been around each for a while, maybe you know each other, whatever, and you just, "Hey, we'll see you tomorrow, we'll make it later this week, how do you feel?" whatever, and it just goes really fast. Sometimes it just progresses into more talking on the phone and taking it slow, or go from there.

[Angel Donovan] Why do you think you were able to attract the hottest women? What specifically worked for you?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I have no idea. I think that, at the end of the day, I was never really ñ I wouldn't walk in and go, "Hey, I'm Antonio Sabato Jr., Jr, and this is who I am, and I'm a celebrity." I'm just a real guy.

I'm a guy from Italy, born and raised in Rome, so for me to meet anyone, it's a pleasure to meet a celebrity even more. For me, I guess it was just real and not talk about the business. I would go, like, "I do this, you do that, what are you doing next?" I felt like it was real. It was just one on one, true conversations about just normal things.

[Angel Donovan] Would you say that's something that's more scarce in a celebrity world, like people just being really down to earth? It sounds like you're painting that picture.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, yes. I think it's because the expectations are high. If you're in the limelight and you have something going good in your life and you're all over the place, in magazines or whatnot, it's expected for you to start talking about yourself. What I tend to believe is that my thing, like you asked me what worked for me, I was asking them what was going on in their lives.

It made it more interesting. I was really interested in knowing what was happening, rather than, "Hey, it's all about me and it's not about you." I made it about them, and that's why we talk about this in the blogs that we've been doing for a while, making it about the person you want to get to know, because you're interested, not because you have to. It's not necessarily about you all the time.

[Angel Donovan] Well, that's a lot of listening, right?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] It's a lot of listening, and also you find a lot of things. People, when they start talking, they might make mistakes, they might open up about stuff that they shouldn't have, and you can watch out for things. It's always good to listen and not talk all the time.

[Angel Donovan] You're an attractive guy, obviously. You've been a Calvin Klein model ñ that was one of the big things you were well-known for as well. Did you notice a difference between the way women treated you before and after the early 90s, when you started to become a celebrity?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I don't know. I tend to believe that ñ I saw a lot more fans, I saw a lot more people taking notice of who I am and who I was when I walked into a room, but I've always believed ñ my father told me to be honest, be kind to people, don't show off, don't be that guy, and I never was.

I always had confidence in me from when I was young enough, and that was because of the way my parents brought me up and the things that we went through. Confidence comes from within. It doesn't come from the way you look. I never walked in, going, "I'm a Calvin Klein model. Let's go and do what we've got to do." It was more like respect everyone the way you want to be respected.

[Angel Donovan] The best known example of Hollywood dating lifestyles today is like Mark Wahlberg's TV show, Entourage. I guess you know that, right?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, of course. I know Mark, too.

[Angel Donovan] Yes, a great show. How reflective of reality would you say that show is?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Knowing Mark, and especially knowing those years that the show is based on, I knew every character. I was there, I was in it. That's part of it. There's a lot of drugs and booze and rock and roll and a lot of women, a lot of things going on, a lot of money.

I went through that, but it's over. Sooner or later, you've got to get away from that, because one, your life is at stake. You never know where it might take you. Two, it's like, how long can you live that life that way?

[Angel Donovan] How long would you say it typically lasts for people, or yourself? Do people do that for two or three years, get fed up with it and move on, or how does it work?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] We just lost another wonderful actor yesterday, so it depends. Addiction ñ you can be addicted to women, you can be addicted to drugs, booze. Addiction is a big thing. In this business, sometimes you have a good day, sometimes you have a bad day, and how do you deal with the bad days? Do you go back to doing drugs? Do you go back to hanging around the wrong people?

Look at Justin Bieber. These are things that happened because there's an addiction to the lifestyle, drugs, and rock and roll, and your life is more important. I have children. Look at Mark, for example. We went through that together. He's got a wonderful life, a wife and kids, and so do I. After a while, if you can make it through, you stay clean and you live a good, healthy life.

[Angel Donovan] Do you have any crazier stories you could give us, to illustrate, or some of the things that you found surprising about Hollywood?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Man, money and the power that is in Hollywood at times, and things you can ask for that I've seen, private jets and things, pretty much the Entourage life ñ I went through it, and you see it and your eyes are not big enough to take it all in, but pretty much what the show is based on is things that I truly saw and went through, and I'm glad I'm out of it.

[Angel Donovan] For women that you chased or were interested in, but never hooked up with them ñ so you never dated them ñ what do you think was the fact that led to that? How would you correct that today in hindsight, if you were thinking back then?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I could probably just say one person in the past, but that's because she was living in Europe. My taste, I'm very picky about a lot of things. That's the way that I am and nothing's going to change that. I met someone briefly, and I think that they got my attention, and I chased her for a little while and things didn't work out.

But there's always a reason for everything and that wasn't for me. But chasing somebody's fun. To me, it's always been intriguing and very exciting. I'm glad that I went through those days where I was chasing somebody, and I couldn't stop thinking about them. It was like, "I've got to do whatever I've got to do to hook up with this person," and it wasn't many, but there was a few.

[Angel Donovan] In that situation, it sounds like it was mostly logistics. It wasn't easy to meet them again, whereas if they're based in LA and you're going to the same parties and things, you naturally meet them a few times and it can progress a lot easier. Would you say that was one of the bigger factors, logistics, just them being far away and not getting opportunities to meet so easily? It's harder to just easily meet them and take it forward.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, but also I've done that, too, where somebody was in Brazil. She was down there, and then we ended up actually getting together, and we actually were dating for a while. I guess for the time that I was talking to you about earlier, it was the fact that I was just busy and things didn't turn out to be, and she was away, but maybe if I'd had time, I would have probably flown over there. Who knows?

[Angel Donovan] You look at a lot of divorces in Hollywood, and they often cite the fact that they got too busy on both sides, and they grew apart. Would you say that's something that happens a lot in Hollywood, just because of the lifestyle? Especially because when you're doing a film, you're obviously on site somewhere else, and that causes you to be, at the time, busy and also far away at the same time.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I can't speak for everyone. I guess that would be one of the reasons, but I think that a lot of relationships in Hollywood where two actors meet on a movie set and everythign's a given, everything's easy, you've got your per diem, you've got your hotel room, you've got the car picking you up every day, you've got your makeup artist, your life is easy.

You get ready for a role, you show up, do what you've got to do, and you don't have to worry about cleaning your clothes. It's pretty much done for you. Then when that is over and you've got to get back to reality, then you start getting to know somebody and spending more time with them, and then things change, because you're like, "Well, this is not the person that I really want to be with."

I can relate to both things. One, you don't get to know somebody too well and you find out that they're not the one, and two is, yes, I don't see them. They're gone for six months a year. Why am I in this relationship, you know?

[Angel Donovan] Yes, that specific situation is pretty interesting, because these long projects of six months, nine months for a film or whatever, I guess it's a lot of fun,because you're on this team project, and as you say, everything's paid for and it's exciting with a film. Would you say that creates a good environment for a lot of actors to get together, because of this exciting environment?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] It's like a honeymoon. I mean, you're on the set. Like I said, everything is given to you with white gloves. Everything is there for you to take, whether it's a small movie or big movie. You're there to do something you love to do, and there's nothing better than working on a movie set.

It's just great working with a lot of people, and then you're doing a love scene, you have a relationship on the movie, you're single, things are clicking, and then you leave that environment and then, if you don't make time for that person to come visit you or vice versa, then it's tough because you don't get to see them and they might be working on something else.

Look at their relationships. They doesn't really last, because of the factors. But there are some that do. My wife comes in and visits me on the set, and I make her part of the environment, so she can meet who I'm working with and vice versa. You have to make time for that. If you don't, then it's not fair. It's not good.

[Angel Donovan] Would you say you have to work a bit harder at the relationship in Hollywood, when you've got this kind of lifestyle, just to keep things together, like seeing your wife often, she's able to come on the set and stuff?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, you just have to respect each other. Like anything, if you were working as the captain of a ship and you were gone for such a long time, you want to make sure to invite that person over and make her part of the environment you live in. It's not working harder, I think it's just given that she has to ñ there's a place and a moment for everything.

When weeks go by and you don't spend time with your wife or husband, things are going to go sour, and you don't want that to happen. You want to make sure that, "Hey, come visit me, I'll come visit you, let's make it happen. We're together, we're married, we have a relationship."

[Angel Donovan] What would you say is different about dating a celebrity?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] At the end of the day, nothing, really. You've got to be in your own household and you've got to live your life. But there's certain perks. There's certain things that come up. You get free gifts, you get to travel in first class. Things like that do happen, and so yes, I appreciate it and be blessed for the things you have.

I guess people know who she is and you've got to deal with the fan base and you've got to deal with the paparazzi and all that stuff. But like I said, you've got to listen to that person and know that, no matter what, we're all human beings. After the paparazzi and the money goes away, you've got to ask, "Do I like this person? Do I want to be with her?" Not much ñ for me, not really much.

[Angel Donovan] Looking from outside of the world, some people could think, "Okay, most celebrities tend to date other celebrities." Now, based on what we've been talking about, it could be just because of the situations they're put in. These are the kind of people they meet, so it's like your surroundings or environment.

That's who you're going to most likely meet, and it just works easier that way. But other people look at it and say no, because they're looking for people of the same status, and they want someone that's their equal. When you look at Hollywood, often we say they're very status-conscious in Hollywood. Which one of those would you say is a big driver between relationships in Hollywood?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I think a little bit of both. I mean, one is that you want to be with somebody at the same status as you, and be a movie star, let's say, or television actor or whatever it is. But then those relationships don't really last that long. The divorce rate is pretty high, probably the highest it's ever been nowadays, and Hollywood, forget about it.

That's probably the highest, because people get married and they stay married for a very short amount of time and then they get divorced and get remarried again. They just bounce around, and that's because of the environment, the people they hang out with, the projects that they take.

There's also a small amount of people, like myself and Mark, who are married and strongly believe that marriage is a unity. It's how hard do you want to work for it? Some people don't. They don't want to deal with the hassle. "I don't want to deal with these complications. Let's break up, let's move on, and I don't want to deal with this. I've got to do a movie, I've got to do this, I've got to do that." I'd say it's 50-50 on those two things.

[Angel Donovan] Do some people make strategic career-minded decisions when it comes to whom to date? They're thinking about this on who they want to be associated with as they're climbing?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Oh yes. Yes, absolutely. I think there's part of that, too, where you want to be associated with somebody of this nature, of this career versus this one, but also nowadays, everything's combined. You're not just really a movie actor or a TV actor, you pretty much can do anything, or music and vice versa. I think people are very specific.

Also, they have their publicists setting them up, they have this dating system. It's kind of like online dating, but the difference is they call their publicist and they set themselves up with people they know and how do they get to this one, how do they get to that, and go to specific parties and then you're like, "I'm going to meet her, she's good for you, she's single." That happened to me, when I was single. It happens to a lot of people.

[Angel Donovan] When you say publicist, is that like that agent, or is that the PR?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] No, PR, a PR firm, a publicist who takes care of getting you in magazines or stuff like that. They work on all kinds of things, getting you into a party, getting you into a red carpet event, an Oscar party or whatever, and that's how relationships hook up.

[Angel Donovan] You also hear about some celebrities ñ I remember Pete [INAUDIBLE 00:27:34] years ago. He asked his agent to set up a meeting with a model. Does that kind of thing happen a lot as well, or through the PR, introductions like that?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] All the time. It's probably happening right now, for next weekend. It's happening all the time. It happens. We used hear that on the rock bands or musicians, because they're on the road, but it's happening all the time. If you have the power and you're well known, you can make anything pretty much happen, yes.

[Angel Donovan] Just a final note on the divorce, one of the things I'm thinking about, obviously celebrities have a fair amount of money. They're very independent in terms of what they can do. Do you think that's one of the factors in the divorces, it's because they're pretty free?

They have their own wealth and everything, so they can do what they want, and they're probably used to getting their own way as well? Potentially, when their marriage isn't working out 100 percent how they thought, then they're more likely to say, "Well, I can just move on," and it's easier for them to move on than someone who has less wealth and has a more structured job and structured life and so on.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, but it's also got to do with the fact of choices. When you're selfish and you're thinking about the marriage is just about me and it's not working, and I've tried or whatever, then it becomes about saving my ass. I'm going to work anything to make it happen for me.

It's not just the money, it's the fact that there's other choices out there ñ I'm going to be doing another movie with somebody else and I'm like, "Oh well, who knows? Maybe I just want to be single because I don't want to deal with this." They don't want to fight for their relationship, because relationships are work. You've got to work together, as a team.

When you're on the route of being selfish and you're like, "I've had enough of this," and the marriage is not that important to me anymore, then you just leave and there's a lot of fish in the sea. There's all kinds of ways you can look at it. One is, "I want to date other people, I've had enough of this." Two, "I really don't care anymore and I've got to do work, do my career." It could be all kinds of things.

[Angel Donovan] Great, thank you. One more thing on filming and being on location. Obviously what you see in the tabloids and everything is pretty extreme. They're like, "Everyone is sleeping with everyone, actresses sleeping with directors and other actors." Is it really that crazy, in some situations, or are the tabloids basically full of shit all the time?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I would say there's both on everything. Some of them is true, some of them is completely fake and they want to build a story and make money on it. I tend to believe that, if you're on location and you're away for a long time and you're single or whatever, and you don't care about pretty much hooking up with anybody, then you'll hook up with anybody.

You'll hook up with a waitress downstairs, or the bartender. It doesn't matter. The list of people who have been caught is endless, but papers make money on that kind of stuff. They want to ruin people's lives and relationships. I tend to believe that if you don't have a strong base, a strong value at home, a strong relationship with somebody, you can fail. We're not perfect. We're going to fail. You've got to make sure that you have a strong bond with your loved ones, because otherwise you're going to step in the wrong pot hole.

[Angel Donovan] Right. Are there men that have successfully kept their dating activities discrete in Hollywood? Are there many of those?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Robert Redford is one of them. You don't know anything about him, and certainly there's many actors that have been around, Bruce Willis, from Demi Moore, and now he's come down and he's got his relationship. He was in a time that he was all over the place and now he keeps it quiet.

There's many celebrities who are able to keep ñ look at how long Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn kept their relationship strong and private for many years. There's ways. Of course there's ways. You just don't go out there and flaunt your relationship and your life to everyone to see, and then open the doors. It's private.

[Angel Donovan] Are there a lot of one night stands between celebs, or would you say there are less than with the average population? We're talking about the press and all these other frets that could come up if these things are discovered.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, you want to be private. I would say probably less, depending on the bigger star you are, because people are going to talk about it and people are just, "He's with me, she slept with me," whatever, and they're going to make noise and they're going to get on the internet. They start tweeting, they start doing this and that. Obviously less is probably right.

[Angel Donovan] I'm guessing that's even more so with non-celebs. If you look at the Tiger Woods situation, which we saw before, celebrities are aware and scared that that kind of thing could happen to them, too.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Tiger Woods was all over the place. He just never stopped. He was crazy. I mean, I don't know how he didn't get caught before. He was doing it for a long time, but when it did, it was too overwhelming. It exploded. That was a shame. That was just horrible for everyone included, especially the kids and the family.

[Angel Donovan] Unfortunate. In Hollywood, as we've been talking, there's a pretty bad record for relationships lasting. Do you think some of that is the pressure from the public eye, and the tablets ñ for true or for false ñ they're making all these accusations. Do some people fall prey to that?

I've seen some actors and actresses, they're constantly getting in the tabloids, saying that either of them are having relationships, and I don't think either's the case, but I could see that that would have some kind of negative impact on your relationships, if it's happening all the time.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, I think so, but I think if you're open about it with your partner, and you have a strong bond where you can talk about anything, then you can talk about stuff like that and bring it out in the open and it just flies by. It's just the way it is and it's trash and nothing matters.

But when you're not strong, you don't have strong family values at home and your relationship is not as strong as it should be, then you could fall in the cracks, and that's when things starts to be overwhelming with what other people are saying.

It all depends. I think communication is a very big part of a relationship. If you can't communicate with your partner about anything at all, then those things are going to come up and they're going to cause problems.

[Angel Donovan] Yes, for sure. Is there anything we haven't discuss today that you found interesting about the celebrity world of dating and relationships that struck you as you were going through it, and perhaps today still, that you find is interesting and different to the non-celeb world?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, for most people that don't know, every day we live our lives, and we have to breathe. We have to go to the bathroom, we have to eat, we do everything. I think the tabloids, the entertainment, the TMZs, all that world puts everything into, "I want to know their lives. It's better than mine," and all this stuff, but in reality, it could actually be worse, it's the same, there's no differences.

There's probably more BS and more stuff that you have to take in place, so it's all the same. It just depends on do you believe what the world is telling you, or do you want to see it for what it is? Sometimes it's actually some people ñ a lot of celebrities that I know, we stay home and we live a very normal life, boring to most people.

[Angel Donovan] I want to talk a bit about what's going on in the celeb world. We've talked a lot about your ideas and perspectives in dating ñ very healthy, I'd say. Who would you say are the men dating the most women today in Hollywood? Are all of them celebrities, or would you see a lot of other different characters, from sports world to business world, rich people? How does that work out?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] You have celebrities to athletes to lawyers to agents, to anything. You see a lot of actors getting together with their own agents, or people that they've known for a while, because they're like, "I feel safer with somebody that I've known, who takes care of my life and I have a connection with," or their lawyers, their agents, whatever.

People that have worked on the set ñ look at Julia Roberts. She met someone who was working as a crew member. We feel that that works. We are surrounded by not just celebrities, we're surrounding, in our business, with so many things ñ photographers and all kinds of things. I think now it's just pretty much vast anything, really.

[Angel Donovan] Is there anyone that you see in Hollywood, any guy that you think is very effective, very successful with women?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I would say George Clooney comes to mind.

[Angel Donovan] Okay, great. What do you think is special about him, or why is he so successful?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I see a guy who's living the life. It's pretty clear to him and everyone else that he doesn't want to settle down. He loves the life that he has, so he doesn't mind dating and not settling down and not having a family.

It's pretty cool. He's a great guy. He's one of those guys you can hang out with and talk about anything all day long. Everybody's different, but I just see him ñ even Brad Pitt settled down. There's a lot of actors of really big stature, who have settled down. He just can't.

[Angel Donovan] Great, that's a great example. Are there any non-famous guys, like non-celebrities, who are dating as successfully, or pretty well, compared to George Clooney in Hollywood?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I don't know. Sure, of course there are. Of course there are people that are not in the limelight who are dating celebrities and stuff like that. There's a huge line of people, of women who are dating just normal guys.

You see it all the time, but that's cool. Everybody's different. It depends on what kind of life you want to have. Do you live your life as a celebrity or do you life your life as a human being? It's strung out. It comes down to that.

[Angel Donovan] We talked very briefly, noted about rock stars and their traveling lifestyle, which obviously a bit different to many other celebrities. Have you had any exposure to that, or have you got to know that world in any way?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] The rock star world?

[Angel Donovan] Yes.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes. I mean, friends of mine, people that are in the industry who are musicians and stuff like that ñ my wife is a musician. She was on the road, at concert for a very long time. I understand it. I also trust my wife, she trusts me, so like I said earlier, you just want to make time to see them in that environment, be part of their world.

Don't stay away from it. You want to be part of it. This year, on my show, I'm going to be on the road all the time, so I need to see my wife and children come visit me. I can't stay away from them. I'm actually going to have a rock tour this year, because I'm going to be in so many cities constantly, for seven months. I can relate to that.

[Angel Donovan] Thanks, Antonio. A couple more questions and then we're done. Thanks for this. This is like a big question for the people who are in our audience, because some of them have high aspirations. Can anyone date a celebrity, or is it going to be really hard if you're outside of that world and not connected with that world?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] I think so. I think you can. Of course you can. Don't see them as a celebrity, see them as a human being. I think these celebrities, I think they love the fact that they're meeting a celebrity and go ñ one of the things I loved about my life, from day one, was the fact that she didn't know who I was.

She wasn't like, "Oh, I've seen everything you've done. I'm a big fan." I was like, "We're going to talk about normal stuff. I really don't care who you are, I want to know who you are as a person."

If you come down with that, instead of going starstruck ñ that's not real. You want to get to know the person, rather than the lust that you have for that person, because you think you know them. You've seen all their movies and stuff. I think that you want to stay grounded. "I like this person for who they are, not for what they've done."

[Angel Donovan] I'm guessing that's probably pretty scarce. Most of the people you meet outside of the celebrity world, they tend to know you and put you on some kind of pedestal. Would you say that's the rule?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Yes, I think so, because we have so much around us with the tabloids and the online stuff and just communication levels. It's worldwide. It's huge. It's too big. You're surrounded by the media constantly, 24/7. You don't want to relate to that. You want to be grounded and go, "I'm going to meet this person. I don't care who they are or what they do." I'm going to just focus on who is he, who is this person?

[Angel Donovan] It sounds like the most important thing there is the values of the person. They don't let the celebrity go to their head, like the fact that this person's in the news and stuff all the time. Is there anything else that you'd point out, about someone else who's able to be more normal around celebrities, where you've seen that? What is it about these people?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Well, like I say, you've got to be grounded. You've got to go, "They're not celebrities. I'm talking to a human being. I'm attracted to this person. They're cool, I love it." If you put somebody on a pedestal, whether it's good or bad, things are going to go wrong because you have these expectations about that person.

It's not real. It's not who they really are. You've got to take the time to express yourself and listen and find out who they are, not the role they played on TV or in the movies. That's not who they are.

[Angel Donovan] We ask this question of everyone who comes on the podcast. What are your top three recommendations to men wanting to get results as fast as possible with high quality women? What would be the top three things you would recommend that they do?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Stay clean, in the sense that they stay clean as a human being ñ wash yourself, dress well, that kind of stuff, brush your teeth. You want to showcase who you are not not take it for granted. Also, be honest, truthfully be honest about who you are, and listen to that person. Listen to them, and put your attention to them, rather than onto yourself.

[Angel Donovan] That's great advice. What are you up to these days? You told us about your current projects, so I know you've got this involvement with the blog. What else have you got on in this dating and relationships sphere?

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] As far as the dating is concerned, the blog and everything, it's been an awesome year and our commitment is coming to an end, but we had a great time working together. I had a great time helping a lot of folks, a lot of guys out there. That's what you want to do. You want to help them out and make sure that they can walk away, knowing a little bit more about this dating world, and I think I was able to do that, from the comments and people that I've been able to reach out to all over the world. It's been fun.

[Angel Donovan] That's awesome. Antonio, thanks for being on the show. This has been really interesting insight, and thanks for being so honest. That's really what we're looking for here, the truth, and really getting at it, so that it really helps people, rather than looking at everything what we get in the news and media. I know our audience is really going to love this. Thanks very much.

[Antonio Sabato Jr.] Thanks, pal. Enjoy your time over there.

[Angel Donovan] I will, thanks very much.