Pandora's Box System    Compare

Effectiveness:

I give it 2 stars for the good advice given if you've never read any book on dating.

Ease of Implementation:

3 stars, although that doesn't make it quick and easy. I was thinking of other programs out there like Speed Seduction and Love Systems which have a ton of stuff to memorize which can also be overwhelming.

Innovativeness:

1 entire star. At first it seems innovative, at worst; but this idea has been done before, more than once. Of course we all know about MBTI, or the 8 Myers/Briggs personality types, which are ENFP, INFP, ESFP, ESTJ, ect...
Or maybe there are 16.
And before that, Carl Jung had his 4 (I think) personality types. Maybe it was 8.
Then Ross Jeffries sold a product through Straightforward, Inc.,
How to Find, Control and Seduce the Women of Your Dreams,
which I actually purchased over a decade ago, which had to do with seducing each woman according to her Zodiac sign. http://www.speedseduction.net/products/SF77.asp
I probably still have it in my attic and for all I know it works like gangbusters. Or it could be a magic feather (Dumbo could fly on his own but thought he could fly only when he held a feather).

The Myers/Briggs always struck me as circular reasoning. Take the long quiz, and it shows you the type you are according to your answers.

The categories Vinny puts women in seem a bit arbitrary for seduction, except the Denier/Justifier category. She either sleeps with lots of men or only one. Alert the media! Vinny "the mouse" DiCarlo discovered the secret of women that nobody could see. Some women sample men, and some women invest in one, once she's fallen for him (I know I'm mixing categories).
Anyway, Vin I expect Vin to come out with a sequel to Pandora with a 9nth "type," or one more "either/or" dichotomy which will make I don't know how many more combinations of women (you do the math).

What annoys me the most about this product is that the author claims that it's backed up with truckloads of "science." This simply isn't true. His buddy Brian read some books (ala David DeAngelo) and Vin interviewed hundreds of thousands of HB7's (you can watch the interviews and assess their attractivess yourself when you get the program), and then squeezed them into his categories.

Value:

This product should've been priced at $20, like Ross Jeffries book. Maybe even $15, because RJ's book has 12 types, so you can get 1.5 times the results (just kidding).
Also included are "videos," to go along with each ebook. They don't really add anything, because Vin just narrates word-for-word each ebook (with a worse lisp than David DeAngelo).

It reads like a newspaper horoscope (in other words, the advice he gives for dealing with _____ type could apply to any woman).
Notice how the following advice would work well with any woman.
Here are some tips for dealing with the different types:

The Playette

"The Playette wants a man who will arouse her, seduce her, take her, tame her, and leave her wanting more."
"The most effective way to get the Playette interested in you is to tease her. Avoid compliments unless she has earned them."

Oh, and all girls who go to clubs and drink are Playettes, at least when they're clubbing. So you can keep this system simple and skip all the remaining types, focusing only on club girls.

The Social Butterfly

Stand tall, and position yourself in the same proximity as if you already know her.
Smile and look her in the eye when you are talking.
Use fun, dominant touch. When you hug her, lift her up slightly.

The Hopeless Romantic

When it comes to sex itself, a Romantic will play a passive role. But when she is aroused, she responds powerfully. To her, she has drawn the man to her, and won his desire.

The Cinderella Woman

Strong eye contact is important, but don’t invade her personal space
initially. When you get the sense that she is interested, close the space
and create a bubble around the two of you with your focus.
A great way to do excite her is by tracing her neckline with your eyes.
Light touching on her arm or lower back is a good move at the beginning.

The Private Dancer

You must carry yourself assertively. Asking for compliance is a great way to open, but this requires you to do so in a congruent, confident way. Stand up straight and talk like you expect people to listen. When you ask her something, look her in the eyes.

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I'll stop there, because I'm getting bored. It reads just like How to Find, Control and Seduce the Women of Your Dreams. I'm not sure which book is better.
It's all basically great advice, but it confuses you with all the different types so that the book could be unique.
It would've been a decent book with just the advice without the separation of women.

In summary, this is hocus-pocus dressed up as science (and not convincingly).
Anyone with a scientific background can quickly see through this. If it were really supported by "science," there would be pages and pages of citations of studies in the back of the book. Instead the author just tells us he interviewed 10 whorehouses worth of women and confirmed for himself that his types are accurate. There are so many flaws with his method of classification and his method of arriving at the truth that you'd need a statistics course to see them all.

There can be great value in gaining knowledge through interviews (in psychology, it's called qualitative research, as opposed to quantitative), but Vin DiCarlo is the last person I'd trust to get anything useful out of hundreds of hours of interviews.

I wouldn't say it's all useless, and the concept is promising.
The execution left me limp.

I have had the program for 3 weeks.
So far most of the product is telling you how awesome the product is, and how much you will enjoy it.

In 3 weeks I have received more than 40 emails promising to give you a technique, but instead talking about how amazing the technique is.

There are videos. Videos that you can't pause, nor fast forward. And you REALLY want to fast forward past the same thing being said over and over again, and it is only about how great the program is.

Here is the thing. I would be willing to pay more money for a good program.

I have not recieved the goods despite having billed over amonth ago.This may be a admin problem but I do not hold much hope in recieving the training program.

I have to admit after everything I learned in Pandora's box was said and done, my pick up actually went downhill. I went in head long and practiced all the material. While I felt like I was being congruent, improving my style, and approaching people head on, I rarely saw success.

The scary part is I'm not a bad looking guy, and I was already confident, working out, going to school, have a career path, and had a ton of pick up experience with women before I got into a three year relationship. I lost my virginity at 19 and between then and 22 was up to 35 of the 'most beautiful girls at whatever venue' I had 3 for 5 success rate, and if I got a day two where we actually hung out, the deal was sealed, as long as I was still interested.... so I don't understand why or how this didn't improve my game, or at least put some kind of edge back on.

I would love the opportunity to change my mind, but my current opinion is that this system can only improve someone who is completely inept.

Let me start by saying that when I bought this ONE MONTH AGO, I was a 23 year old virgin who had given up hope of finding a girlfriend. Now, I have more female attention than I'm actually comfortable with and have a girlfriend who will make me breakfast after driving into to town the night before just to be with me..

Now, did it make me a, "Sexual God," like it said it would? So far? No, not really. But my attitude about that is more along the lines of, "Not yet." The very day after going through about half of the Core Program I noticed many girls in my life acting differently around me, in conversation with me, being more touchy feely, making eyes. You know, that LOOK. I had seen it maybe from five girls in my life before. Now, only a month later, it's a look I get from most girls. Not all, but a large majority, including girls already in relationships.

I find it easier to talk casually with women now, I don't clam up and get nervous nearly as often, and not nearly so badly. I find it very easy to understand their points of view now. It's as if I've learned a new language. I feel as if the knowledge I've gained has awakened a part of me that lay dormant before. Like the real me has woken up. The confidence I gained from this program is astonishing, my life has been surreal in many ways since my purchase.

Now, this may not be for everyone. If you already have decent game, you could benefit from the 3 Conflicts & 8 Types information, but you don't NEED it. I did. It's not going to be easy for most guys to understand and effectively implement. It's a lot of time spent repeating the videos and learning them so you can almost say it by memory. If you don't really KNOW the material, it's useless. This is not a quick sit down, all you need to know, now GO! kind of program. You almost need to be desperate to get the full value of this program. I was.

Bottom Line; If you are hopeless with women and NEED real help, here's your huckleberry. If you just want to up your game, it can help with that too, but it may not be worth it.

For me, Pandora's Box is very effective. I am not from US but it was effective when I used it. I tried some experiments to know if the guidelines for each type of women are accurate.

First, I apply the 3 issues of the women's mind then after I identify them, I told them that I will know their personalities in just a day.

I dictate every detail that was written in the strategies guide of Pandora. While they were listening, they were surprised and shocked. Most of them told me "WOW! How do you know that!??? I never told anyone about that even to my female friends! Amazing!" those words gave me idea that it was accurate.

Then after testing it. I already used it. I got 3 girls in two months. They don't care even I have a girlfriend already. All they want was to be with me. It feels like they were addicted to me! This is awesome!!! two thumbs up!

My only problem with this is, it does not teach us how to build our self esteem. You cannot apply this if you don't know how to approach a woman.

Oh boy. Where to begin. If you buy the entire upsell thing at their ridiculous price, there is so much crap that they throw at you. Unfortunately, none of it is useful. You just wasted all your money.

The entire premise of the system is that you find out what type of girl she is and follow some seduction strategies specific to her type. They say that you will then know how to approach and attract this particular type of girl. There are three problems with this.

1) There is no way to know what type of girl she is until you are well into your interaction with her. It's not like they tell you how to determine what type of girl she is within the first few minutes of interaction. You have to get to know some deeply personal stuff about her to really categorize her. And the only way to do that is if you are in some deep connection conversation with her. How often does that happen within the first few minutes?

2) You cannot rely on her answers to figure out what type of girl she is. We all know this by now. Women lie. Ask her if she has a lot of boyfriends, and she'll say "no" when she's out dating three other guys at the moment. So thinking that you can determine what type of

3) The "specific" strategies they give you is actually very generic and useless. "Go out and do 2 or 3 casual things on the first date." "Touch her lightly in a non sexual way." Really? You're telling me that this is the kind of "revolutionary" seduction strategies that he came up with? Stuff that every guy knows since the dawn of man? And then he says, "Get sexual as soon as possible." Well, duh! But how? Oh, there's absolutely nothing about it in any of the material. It's just general stuff about trying to get sexual, but not too pushy.

The truth is that some of the advice that is given may work if you are already in a relationship with a girl. You can try and tailor your interactions with her to keep her interested. The problem is getting her interested in the first place. There is NOTHING in here that will help you do that. What this product, and all other PUA products, ignore and deny is that initial attraction is based on how physically attractive you are to a woman. But they obviously can't make money off of chumps if they admitted that.

All the bonus videos and interviews are absolutely garbage. Not only are they spreading misinformation, it is so boring to listen to. The interviews have no direction, and everyone just sits there stiffly rambling on and on about nothing.

Overall: a waste of time and money.

it's a little confusing. Determining the girl's type is helpful though. But how they marketed it as helpful for hopeless guys is misleading. You have to have experience for you to incorporate the book's concepts with your picking up.

I paid $69.95, but then I had to pay $97 one day, and $99.80 another day. The videos are excellent, and the things are very valuable. But why did they charge me $97 one day and $99.80 another day??? Both are recurring. I didn't know that!!!

it's Truly a program for advanced users.

however the presentation of the system is very poor and not well made, even i had found a mistake in the last video "pop quiz" where Dicalrlo says about a certain scenario that the girl is an idealist and clearly according to what he is saying prior to the answer; she is a realist.

I have to say, my disappointment is overwhelming, however i cannot deny that i have learned alot about women's mentality through this program, which will come handy.

Best,
Hamdi