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As can be expected, these guys delivered the goods. We had the benefit of this being a relatively small bootcamp which gave us a lot of intimate (in an teacher/student sense) time with these mPUAs. Matador kicked things off in the class and would go right in to routines including body language, showing you exactly how you should use these in the field. You cannot substitute reading this in a book vs. having it demonstrated to you. Mystery then picked up the instruction later in the day and these two alternated, and at times instructed together. Routines were given that are not in print as far as I am aware. Most important of all, these guys always gave more than what was promised. On breaks, they spent the time with you casually discussing one on one questions or issues, they stayed much later than required to the point where we really had little time to rush home and change and get back for the in-field portion. In field, they were there to help you with your inner game, overcome approach anxiety, watch you open and give you pointers, show you how they open and lock in sets. It really imbeds in your psyche what we already know, that there is no substitute for the field. Using the material and the methods that are taught, sets opened as promised.

Going out at night we rolled in style, thanks to my fellow student who generously provided us with the stretch limo (pm me also if you read this so we can stay in touch). Got into clubs immediately with no rope bs, and had VIP treatment inside. These guys know how to roll.

I did a follow up in Miami, only the class room session as there was so much material and I got a lot out of it the next time around as well as meeting some of the other instructors such as Lovedrop. Once again, excellent sessions and thanks to all of the instructors.

These guys are the real deal and this is money that I feel is well spent because you could waste years of your life struggling to figure out what you can get in an intense weekend with these guys.

I also did the strippers and hired guns with Mystery in NY and he really opened up in an even more intimate setting, was extremely attentive and answered all questions and shared many things with us beyond what was required. He really is an incredible person to meet and talk to, so, thank you Mystery, Matador, Lovedrop and others who spent time with us in these bootcamps.

Night 1 : Demo Night at the club

Matador demo'ed the "alpha-kino-caveman" character. To me it appeared over-aggressive and not my style. He did a great job of shifting my perception the next day and night (read on...).

Lovedrop was the quintessential coach, describing every move that Mystery made (from a polite distance), and correcting my newbie patterns (talking to fast, leaning in, forgetting to lock-in, etc.). He really is an outstanding social-scientist who can quickly assess and deconstruct social interactions.

Mystery was approaching, conversing, hugging (going kino) with many females. I didn't stand close enough to hear what he was saying because it just feels weird to me to stand that close - but Lovedrop explained what he was doing.

I opened about 7 sets on my own (one set opened me). Made a bunch of mistakes. Really learned the value of "warm-up sets."


Day 2 (in class) : Opened with Mystery for an hour or 2, then Matador for the rest of the day.

Regarding Matador, it was quite interesting to see an intellectual social-scientist speaking to us during the day after witnessing the "alpha-kino-caveman" from the night before.

I expressed my concern that the caveman character seemed overly aggressive and a little rude to the women. He helped me to shift my perspective by pointing out a few things:
1. He is constantly calibrating, testing for tension, and releasing and rolling-off when he feels it.
2. No one is forcing the women to stay and talk to him. They can walk away anytime they want.
3. If they didn't like what he was doing, they would leave. Therefore, they must like it.

Later that night (in the club), he re-demonstrated even more dramatically by calling our attention "hey guys, right now, watch this, (alpha-caveman demo), see it's that easy." Sure enough, the women didn't leave, they stuck around for more of the same. This was very valuable for me.

At the end of Day 2 (in class), Matador set our goal for the night to be 1 makeout session. He asked if we were ready. I said "Hell no, I'm scared shitless." Then I remembered Mystery's advice from the previous day; don't be afraid to wreck the set, crash and learn.


Night 2 (at the club):

We had a VIP table. Matador did an endless stream of "alpha-kino-caveman" demos - which totally shifted my whole perspective.

Lovedrop continued to watch me in-set and provided post-set analysis of what I did right and where to improve.

I went into my social-dancing role (which I mastered many years ago), and eventually got my make-out session with a cute married woman. When I went for the kiss, she said "I'm married" - to which I responded "Hey, I'm not going to [have sex with] you right here on the table." We started making out. A few minutes later her friends came and took her away. It was fun. When I told Matador that I got my make-out, he said that he had done 9 so far - so I went off to open some more sets (practice, practice, practice).


Day 3 (in class):

- More comprehensive theory from Matador (hoops, neg theory, group theory, specific gambits, micro-calibration, shared projects, archetypes, etc.) - I already knew most of this from the book and DVD's, but it was great to be able to ask questions in an interactive format.

- Another great presentation from Lovedrop which covered Evolutionary Value Switches, Emotional Relevancy in Story Telling, Bait Hook Reel Release, Conversational Rapport, Building Comfort and Trust, Displaying Vulnerability, and a couple new routines.

- Mystery got us on the phone with Style (author of The Game), and provided a lot of motivation to continue practicing by showing us pictures of the results he has achieved - he made my goals seem very real and achievable (hell, if a tall skinny guy who didn't lose his virginity till he was 21 can get hot chicks, then so can I). He also demo'ed some cool mind-mapping software that helps to keep the social life organized.


Night 3 : bonus extra night

The seminar is advertised with 2 club nights but we did 3. I have no idea if this is normal or if they just felt like going out again.

I gave Matador a run for his money, dancing with lots of cool girls - BTW, this is a great wingman tactic to occupy obstacles.

Lovedrop, once again watched me in set and provided exceptional coaching:
- slow down, talk slower
- lean back
- don't make your hoops to big (move her 10 feet away before trying to promenade the club)
- when you are in the club, go on instinct - don't try to remember everything you learned in class - be the cool, unaffected rich guy who is having a good time no matter what happens

He also sent in a wing-woman to provide social-proof at a key moment in one of my sets - it worked great - thanks!

BTW, the 2 wing-women were great. They made it really easy to social-proof the room right off the bat. It is a lot easier to open sets when you have pre-selection.

Day 4 : brief wrap-up with Neo and Matador

Matador debriefed and answered any remaining questions before handing over to Neo.

Neo covered LMR (last minute resistance) - cool guy.

One of the great things about Neo is that he is short - which proves that you don't have to be tall to get girls.

I already knew most of the LMR theory from the book and DVD's. But one new distinction that I did get from Neo is this:
Fundamentally, a woman needs to feel that she has the option of keeping you around the next day.

Overall : Time and money well spent. I would do it again (and probably will). Highly recommended.

I first want to say I thaught I had quite good game from before and I'm kind of used to having the best game among the guys i hang out with. But the skill level of Discovery was beond what I have ever imagined possible in the field, this was extreme and realy gave me motivation to push the limits and change my game.

My old style is very natural direct and more David Deangelo style, if you want to just go into any room and owning at this ekstent I don't think natural will be enough.

(Nothing wrong with David Deangelo who has helped me alot. I recomend his products to everyone who are getting into this.)

But if you take a bootcamp, implement what you are learing there and stick with it I belive your results will be beyond what you can dream of.

I first purcased this Bootcamp because I was told from the Venusian arts that Mystery was coming to London and I thaught it would be smart/cool to take a bootcamp with him, especialy since my goal is to become an Instructor and teaching this.
I was realy disappointed when I i heard I had been misinformed and he was not showing up, but as a compensation for it Discovery promised a night infield with Mystery at any other Bootcamp where he is teaching.

The seminar part of the Bootcamp was good, Discovery is a great teacher and I learnd alot. Even thoug I think the Mystery method takes more practice to be good at than Natural style, I belive you will have a much better game when you get it implemented.

The in-Field part was also good. I was lucky enough to be paired up with Discovery both nights in field and got to see a lot of good game. And get a lot of motivation. (It is totaly different to learn this from the seminar and to see it beeing done in field.) I learn from doing and seeing what is possible and I can promise from what I have seen done by discovery at the bootcamp and what I have done my self since the bootcamp. You can learn to do the impossible.

Moonlight was also helping as a coach at this bootcamp, I did not see him do so much in the field since I was mostely with Discovery but what I have seen of him was all good and the guys that was with him had good progress so I also recomend his programs/bootcamps that he and his girl runs in Israel and Belgium.

Moonlight's beutifull girlfriend was also at the program helping.
Even though I don't think you should bring your girlfriend to a program you are teaching because it will limit and hold you back, she was of good help and a good pivet.

I also want to thank Sphinx who helped us alot.

This is one of the most expensive bootcamps on the marked and there ie a reason for that. I can recomend this for everyone from total newbies to experts.

Hey guys. This weekend I had the pleasure of meeting and watching Matador speak at his LA Bootcamp.

First of all, I am alumni from the Seattle bootcamp and I was only able to attend the second day because I was in town as a guest instructor at another popular bootcamp.

I skipped the second day of my bootcamp to attend this one because Matador has been the most inspirational PUA in my life, and this was my chance to meet him.

Before Matador arrived and talked to all of the students that went out infield the previous night, I had the opportunity to ask how he was out infield. Their was nothing but positive glowing things to say. It sounded like he was constantly in set demoing for everyone and he was working the room.

Listen. I have met a lot of big names in the community and I am friends with many of them. There is something different about Matador, and I mean that in a good way.

I believe its his overwhelming ability to make you FEEL good with the words that he is expressing. He speaks with inflection, passion, and enthusiasm. When he was talking to us at the break and doing little demo's, I could not help but be sucked in.

It was not that I perceived his value to be higher than my own or that I was star struck (I don't ever play into that frame because it is not part of my reality), it was just the way that he was able to deliver his words. This is the exact area of my game that I am working on.

Matador also showed us videos on youtube showing Jim Morrison from the doors. It illustrated how he was able to suck people in with the way that he spoke in his interviews and when he was singing live. He basically seduced the world. I used this as my new opener. I call it the Jim Morrison opener and it has been hitting.

Lastly, as an instructor I consider myself a MPUA. But Matador is at a Jedi level that far exceeds anyone that I have ever encountered. It was a pleasure to meet him and I HIGHLY recommend anyone to go to his bootcamps.

P.S. If nothing else, go to his bootcamps to see the size of this guys triceps. They are insane! LOL

A unique experience to see the stars who started it all! I went to the LA bootcamp somewhere around Sept. of 2007 and found the whole 3 days of my stay, quite insighting! I benefited alot from the lectures and EVEN MORE from the answers they gave me! Hearing from all the instructors you definately get to see each of the masters' own style of pick up, and if anyone can say peacocking, well all 3 instructors make that look like nobody's business! Judging by observing how they talk and teach I could easily tell, Matador was the dominant alpha-male like artist who mixes his rock-star image with a straight dominant attitude, Lovedrop was the playful, friendly, popular, social, and young in heart artist, Mystery well of course from his image is kind of a mix of playful, dominant, and mysterious, nuff said for his part. For all those curious about what a bootcamp is like, let me break it all down for you of what happened day by day...

Day 1: Everyone is introduced to the instructors and each other. The day consists of generally the narrow basics like female psychology, what openers are and an IMPORTANT overview of HOW TO ACTUALLY OPEN (not only is the line taught, the PROPER BODY LANGUAGE is shown, and trust me, it doesn't look hard but delivering the line and body language properly at the same time isn't a cake-walk) along with further A phase stuff. You do go out at Day 1 and get to see the instructors do their thing

Day 2: THe nitty gritty happens here! A fast overview and break down of what happened last night is discussed, I believe micro-calibration thoroughly emphasized (once they explain it, you won't need to memorize the perfect come-back for every shit-test she gives you, AND you'll know how to make your own negs and teases PROPERLY)
A2, A3, and some C phases are thoroughly explained, a bunch of the instructors' personal routines and sound-bites are said throughout the whole discussion. You do go out on Day 2, but this time YOUR APPROACHING

Day 3: Final day, again an overview and break down of all interactions are briefly told, Mystery holds court for a long time in the C2, C3 to S phases, a the S phases. You learn so some important concepts and material that i can't seem to find in the VAH anywhere! Definately a big insight on story-telling and various versions of the stock stories told in their ACTUAL REAL FORM (they're much more richer in quality), and well after last remainding questions are answered, class is dismissed

(side note: yes there are breaks in between and all 3 instructors are more than happy to answer your questions, it seemed that EVERY DAY we probably went 2 hours over the scheduled ending b/c of extended teaching with Q&A, a live practice is done where the instructors will critic your opening body language and delivery, BRING A LAPTOP FOR NOTES!!! Yes they do critic your fashion too so make sure to dress like how you'd dress normally to get an honest review, it's wise to have already read the VAH however that is not required but recommended b/c they go beyond that book, and lastly if you got questions always ask cause they're giving you the top notch answers.

I only took the 2 day seminar.
I already had a decent amount of routines and gambits prior to coming to the seminar, but my game was not as refined.

I really liked how mystery broke down the steps from meeting a women, all the way to sex.

my suggestion to people that are condisering the seminar is read "The Game" and "mystery method" and actually go out to the field and practice.

get down the basics first, such as opening, and transitioning to negs etc...

if you dont get down the basics, then it might be a little difficult understanding what the seminar is covering.


so my final thoughts-

understand the basics first, then attend the seminar.

once you've mastered have the basics, mystery and his team will really break down your game into super specific detail.
thank you venusian arts, my game is now on fire.
I feel like a tank when im on the field. nothing could penatrate me.

where do i start....
the seminar in Miami was just out of this world....and i really mean that...i came to Miami with no expectations of what may happen and wow did it happen....
the bootcamp made all the more sense having read the book and i now know how to implement it better...
MYSYERY,MATADOR nd LOVEDROP....they know their stuff inside out and upside down and backwards and forwards...and not only that they showed in in field....
MYSTERY.......... its your method and you're a genius and i am totally bowled over at how F****** easy you make it....and i now know it is F******* easy...
MATADOR.....you're one hell of a guy....really you impress the F******shit out of me and I'm sure all the other guys....you make it so easy and trust me i know it is easy once you apply the tools and the method....dude don't keep your skills all to yourself....
LOVEDROP ......you teach passionately in the class and in field .....and i now through just of your little tweaks i don't hold the beer go to my chest....
you are a great guy....
BLITZ....i now know the man who i spoke to on the phone and i know you have put a lot into this and it was so fun hanging out with you....

the bootcamp gave me the tools to take with me to Cancun and Playa del Carmen,Mexico.
and one of the openers that i learnt was "how do you all know each other"....
boy , how many sets i opened with Mr G after just asking that q and realized they're F*******friends and so easy to take control of the set.....
just writing about it is getting me all pumped up and want to be in field right now...
the guys from the Miami bootcamp were awesome and we all learnt from them and SCORPIO and MYTH123 you got my number......
watching the guys in field in training on Fri and Sat night was awesome at how barriers broke and how many HBs we spoke to.....

"back to me knucklehead"..a favorite line of Mystery.....

just one of many many lines and openers that i learnt.....
the negs and the push pulls i know how to use them.....

so back to Mexico.....

go laid once and had many kisses.....and bounced many a time and took numbers....

back in london now.......

had one date and the negs and the DHV-ing of myself has prompted women to buy ME drinks.....and my first lay.......in 4 days .....since coming back to London.

i know .......

MASTERS ARE MADE IN TRAINING......and that is what i learnt from all the guys that taught me and all the others...

on that note.....

i would dearly love to say a mega thank you to all who taught me especially the two lovely wingwomen.....

I was at the Chicago Bootcamp last weekend and it was amazing watching Matador and Mystery work. They kino plowed several women.

On top of that Mystery ran a DHV spike that was amazing. The woman's pupils started to dilate within 30 seconds. Awesome stuff. I'm ready to learn more!

My experience at the boot camp is life changing. Like many of you out there women have always been a big mystery to me. Growing up I did poorly with girls, the only girlfriends I ever got were luck and that didn't happen very often. Moved to college thinking life would be different, that girls are just willing to jump into bed with any guy. However, as a senior in college, I can testify that it just isn't the case. I read the Game by Style two years ago and it opened my eyes to the possibilities. I tried in vain to do some of the things he did, but seeing as how I had no inner game and that the book was not geared toward teaching I failed miserably time after time. I then googled some of the guru's mentioned in the book. The first was David DeAngelo. I read his ebook and it started to make sense to me about how beta I really was. Then The Pickup Artist came out on VH1 and it really made me feel the lack of outer game I possessed. I saved up some $$ and decided to take a chance on a bootcamp. I knew it had the possibility of changing my life but I was skeptical if I would really learn anything that I hadn't read before. However, I was wrong, I learned far more in three days then I have at any other point in my life.

If you are wondering if you should spend the money to go or if you are wondering if you will learn anything more that's not in the book. I would suggest going. The money is an investment on your future which will pay off big dividends. As far as learning, I learned more than I even imagined I would. They teach you so much about not just picking up women but how to have a better life, be the man you should be, and not to let anything slow you down. I 100% recommend anyone to go and learn from the two coolest guys I've ever met. The program is life changing and I now can't wait to leave the house to put it all to use.

Let me wax poetic for just a moment-a vast majority of our opinions come from other people's opinions up to and including the ones we have about ourselves. This is part of the sociological concept of the definition of the situation: What people believe to be real is real in its consequences. For instance, if someone calls you a loser long enough, you will eventually start to display losing qualities through your actions. If the opposite gender snubs you long enough, you may eventually begin to feel as though something is wrong with you in particular and not necessarily just with the way you handle the situations when they arise.

You reach the edge and have to decide-do I leap or do I stare into the darkness for the remainder of my years and wonder what it would have been like if I had just taken that last crucial step? It would be a falsehood to say it was easy, but all things worth doing in this world seldom are. As my instructor Brock put it, If we didn't push you past your limits, it would be called Venusian Arts Vacation and not Venusian Arts Bootcamp.

Think I'll keep all the wild and crazy stories about what happened during my bootcamp experience to myself. Besides, a girl's gotta have some secrets. Let's just say that I would have regretted not taking the time out of my life to make myself into a better person. Not just in my social interactions with the opposite sex, but throughout the broad spectrum of my life. The guys in my class were accepting (and maybe just a little overprotective, lol). My instructors, approach coaches, and pivots were all wonderful people who mastered something I was sadly lacking in-social interaction. I can't thank Matador, Brock, Elansin, Groove, Swift, and Jen enough for what they did for me personally. Stephen, you asked me to get in touch with my inner female, so this ending is for you-You are all my knights in shining armor.

BTW, I'm having a little bit of difficulty locating a certain type of button without a pic or the mfg info located on it (quite possibly underneath of the button along the rim) (hopefully). If I can't find the button, my resources were kind enough to give me some alternate courses of action that I would be happy to pass along at the Superconference.