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Ok I'm going to make this short and sweet... So here it is Derby is a great salesman and the one who got me into the seminar. He also helped me with a lot of other things and was supportive the whole time.

Second... Discovery; I was impressed by his style and charisma great instructor tought me a lot of cool routines... Third; Lovedrop... I was impressed by how normal he is, how laid back and cool he carrys himself.... He tought me a lot about body language.. Oh yea! And the zen of cool wich was awsome... I also talked to rizen one of the coaches who was very helpfull and friendly.... He tought me that you can open without saying anything and explained some wing rules, which was pretty cool. I was impressed by everybody when it comes down to teaching.... Colgate one of the coaches was a cool guy and had some cool stories... But besided that... As a teacher I wasn't very impressed, he wasn't as helpfull as everybody else, besides that great seminar... Looking forward to doing it again.

P.S.: The whole seminar didn't seem very organized nobody was on time there was confusion to when it starts... That could be improved.

Just got back from the SF bootcamp. I had already taken the seminar portion in LA a few months back but since I have turned 21 and was able to take in-field. The seminars were great, a little different than LA so I picked up more information. Friday night was my 1st time in a club in my life, opened about 16 sets, locked in and moved my girl(s) 5 times and had a blast. Derby was just sending me into set after set and I was getting pretty good results. Mystery explained to me why I lost one girl (8, very into me) I moved to the VIP table and that was very educational. Second night was even better, the club was alot smaller so it was a little more difficult but I was with Kosmo and Brandon (both really great coaches! can't say eough about them. Kosmo really pushed you even though what he was saying (I thought) was so counter-intuitive...but it got me 2 kiss closes and lay 2 days later. Brandon is really good with the technical aspects, REALLY knows his stuff. Has tons of good openers and a realy nice guy in general). We absolutely tore that club apart, had a great time.

This was one of the best things I've ever done. I'll repeat that: This is one of the best things I have EVER done. I had debilitating AA (approach anxiety) for as long as I can remember. I was always the guy at the club with his hands in his pockets, leaning against the bar, talking to my AFC buds while staring at all the girls that I wanted to talk to but didn't have the courage to engage. And if I actually did magically work up the cohones to approach a woman, I would always sabotage myself before I even started because I would fumble my words, run out of things to say, and fall back on boring like Where did you grow up? What are you studying? Terrible.


Now, with the help of Mystery, Lovedrop, and others, I'm finally developing a skill set I can actually use. Reading this stuff is one thing, but learning it first-hand from the masters themselves and then seeing it complemented in the field is more helpful than I can describe on this forum. Mystery is an incredible teacher I really think he found his calling. The charisma and charm that he puts into his game carries over into the classroom, making everything he teaches all the more interesting. He's so excited and passionate about the venusian arts, that it just pumps everyone else up to venture into the field where the positive energy really pays off. Anyone with an ounce of skepticism would have to doubt the veracity of some of the things he teaches. But seeing is believing this is for real. Mystery, Lovedrop, Alex, Knack, and Cuisine stormed the club like it was Normandy. Opening, attraction, comfort-building, seduction, and closing I saw it all multiple times each night.

As for me, the first night, I opened 10 sets and number-closed two girls. The second night, I lost count of how many sets I opened, and I kiss-closed a girl. Alex taught me some dance game ( his specialty), and even gave me an opener that eventually led me to kiss-closing that girl (Thanks Alex!). Each one of the instructors has their own specialty, and was able to impart unique knowledge to the students. But the one instructor that I really have to give it up for is Cuisine. He basically spent all night both nights just walking through the club with some of the other students and myself, and pointing out sets for us to open, and critiquing our game. He's an expert at body language, and was able to tell how we were doing in each set instantly. He was also available to answer questions about day game and social game, his specialties.

In the end, I learned a ton, was started on the path to a more fulfilling sex life, and made some good friends (aka future wings) in the process. More than worth the price of admission. I would recommend boot camp to anyone who is serious about this process.

Just wanted to comment on the DC Bootcamp. I am Married.....I have been interested in the community ever since I read the game a couple of years ago. I went with my Bro who is recently divorced mainly to wing with him and learn how to apply the social dynamics of the community to business. Anyone who thinks they have game has got to go to a bootcamp.....you will learn to push yourself in ways you never knew. I guarantee that if you think you are already well versed on the art of the pickup these guys will blow you away with their knowledge and confidence. Mystery was a machine....great guy, very friendly, passionate, and knows exactly what he is doing. Hawaii was a strong instructor.......knows his stuff and has great confidence in his game. I couldn't think of a better way to spend my money than to take one of the boot camps. It will give you confidence and the ability to talk to almost anyone even if you aren't using it to pick up ladies.
Kudos also to Joe D., Knack, Lovedrop, and of course the man himself Mystery.

Maimi beach bootcamp it was incredible I was expecting a few guy It blow my mind see soo many peolpe and sharing the same common problem and goal

Participant: Cool guy willing to go out and sarging all day. I make very good friend for now on from diferent part of USA and the most important willing to help each other out.

Teachers:
Discovery: To me from that friday on he will be Mr. Kino he show me more in 30 sec of interaccion with my target that any video in 2 years. My respect Discovery I use yours recomendation all the time for now on. I miss your class on day game and fashon a regreat it for life (Don't miss it guy).

Colgate: Mr body language thank men that 1 on 1 help me see and repair all my faulty interaccion. "Hold court my friend" "Don't lean in" "soundbite"

Mo: I learn so much about the structure of the game thank to you and make natural for me.

Derby: Cool guy what I can say Derby. The seminare without Derby will not be seminare and all the proyect to come. We still in contact Derby.

Mystery: Master of Masters see you in video don't pay good respect to you. You are soo natural in your interaccion, and helpfull you are willling to teach every thing to anyone regard of level. Go sarging with you was an adventure
I can go on on on all day.

Guy for you that are reading this I saw all the video I read the book.
You have to do the seminare I feel like I have graduate.
They put me in such higher level.
The ony regreat not be able to take sunday class and hang out more with they every single sec was a learning experince.

let me just begin by saying how awesome it was to learn this stuff from Kosmo, he was a great instructor and he was very helpful and really help break it down in such a way the other guys and me could understand perfectly. So to start off, Friday day: we practice day game with Dionysus, great instructor and he was catching our mistakes and helping us so much, stuff from so simple as "pecking" to forgetting to ftc and not body rocking. he taught us so much stuff the first day you could just tell he had knowledge and a great understanding of pick up and wanted to share it with everyone, great teacher and such a nice guy. some of the stuff im still just "like wow how did he come up with that?" friday night roles up very fast, and kosmo and techno slaughter arrive, Kosmo just had a great energy about him he just like can make you smile and feel good about yourself and i could see it from everyone else in the bootcamp they felt the same way. techno slaughter just was so knowledgeable and kept me going even when i was doubting myself in field. Kosmo does some improv with us and gets fired up and we hit the field.


Friday night in field, kosmo and techno slaughter and Dionysus take us to a awesome club were VIP which was great. me and the students kept opening girls and getting good responses but kosmo shows us how to do it and throws us into set right away, which was what we all needed.As soon as i got down at anytime and felt a bit bad techno slaughter came over and got me back up and gave me great advice and even direction on how to open correctly, Dionysus was always right behind me catching me on my mistakes as kosmo was helping the other guys, even at one point Dionysus came over when i blew a two set and threw back into another two set before i could let the bad emotion get to me. so it was a great night and i retained a lot.

Saturday was all Kosmo, he drilled everything into our heads until i thought my head was going to explode. he just had so much knowledge and even after our time was up he just kept going and going, just so knowledgeable. you could tell he was passionate about this and wanted to get us to be dedicated to it too.


Saturday night was something you have to see for yourself. kosmo and techno slaughter were throwing all us into sets and showing us how to do it and i remember several times, going into set with kosmo passing behind me instructing me to do kino or kiss close, even stopped what he was doing to show me ioi's. well we all kissed close the girls we were talking to so all the guys in the boot camp felt a big change. techno slaughter warmed us up before we went out to the clubs and got us amped up and so did kosmo. techno slaughter kept us going and amped up. he also kept the sets going when i are the other guys kept messing it up or blowing the sets completely and all the instructors showed us how to bounce the girls and move to comfort locations. kosmo showed me especially when he bounced a beautiful girl and i bounced her friend and i totally screwed it up but he showed me my mistakes and showed me how to avoid making them again. Dionysus kept a eye on all of us and kept us from making body language mistakes. even passed by and with kosmo they both helped me kiss close this hot girl with the camera. thanks again if you and kosmo are reading this. so it was a great night and learned alot

Sunday was a follow up of saturday night were Kosmo reviewed everything we did wrong and right with the girls we talked to. we finished up everything else and kosmo helped us with our identities and dhv stories and grounding stories, he made sure we had great dhv stories and grounding stories before we left. kosmo made sure we had a great grasp on everything before we left. i really appreciate kosmo and techno slaughter and Dionysus they showed us so much and helped us, it was worth every dime and i'd love to do another boot camp with them. i recommend a boot camp with kosmo to anyone who is thinking about taking one from him. thanks again guys.

As can be expected, these guys delivered the goods. We had the benefit of this being a relatively small bootcamp which gave us a lot of intimate (in an teacher/student sense) time with these mPUAs. Matador kicked things off in the class and would go right in to routines including body language, showing you exactly how you should use these in the field. You cannot substitute reading this in a book vs. having it demonstrated to you. Mystery then picked up the instruction later in the day and these two alternated, and at times instructed together. Routines were given that are not in print as far as I am aware. Most important of all, these guys always gave more than what was promised. On breaks, they spent the time with you casually discussing one on one questions or issues, they stayed much later than required to the point where we really had little time to rush home and change and get back for the in-field portion. In field, they were there to help you with your inner game, overcome approach anxiety, watch you open and give you pointers, show you how they open and lock in sets. It really imbeds in your psyche what we already know, that there is no substitute for the field. Using the material and the methods that are taught, sets opened as promised.

Going out at night we rolled in style, thanks to my fellow student who generously provided us with the stretch limo (pm me also if you read this so we can stay in touch). Got into clubs immediately with no rope bs, and had VIP treatment inside. These guys know how to roll.

I did a follow up in Miami, only the class room session as there was so much material and I got a lot out of it the next time around as well as meeting some of the other instructors such as Lovedrop. Once again, excellent sessions and thanks to all of the instructors.

These guys are the real deal and this is money that I feel is well spent because you could waste years of your life struggling to figure out what you can get in an intense weekend with these guys.

I also did the strippers and hired guns with Mystery in NY and he really opened up in an even more intimate setting, was extremely attentive and answered all questions and shared many things with us beyond what was required. He really is an incredible person to meet and talk to, so, thank you Mystery, Matador, Lovedrop and others who spent time with us in these bootcamps.

Night 1 : Demo Night at the club

Matador demo'ed the "alpha-kino-caveman" character. To me it appeared over-aggressive and not my style. He did a great job of shifting my perception the next day and night (read on...).

Lovedrop was the quintessential coach, describing every move that Mystery made (from a polite distance), and correcting my newbie patterns (talking to fast, leaning in, forgetting to lock-in, etc.). He really is an outstanding social-scientist who can quickly assess and deconstruct social interactions.

Mystery was approaching, conversing, hugging (going kino) with many females. I didn't stand close enough to hear what he was saying because it just feels weird to me to stand that close - but Lovedrop explained what he was doing.

I opened about 7 sets on my own (one set opened me). Made a bunch of mistakes. Really learned the value of "warm-up sets."


Day 2 (in class) : Opened with Mystery for an hour or 2, then Matador for the rest of the day.

Regarding Matador, it was quite interesting to see an intellectual social-scientist speaking to us during the day after witnessing the "alpha-kino-caveman" from the night before.

I expressed my concern that the caveman character seemed overly aggressive and a little rude to the women. He helped me to shift my perspective by pointing out a few things:
1. He is constantly calibrating, testing for tension, and releasing and rolling-off when he feels it.
2. No one is forcing the women to stay and talk to him. They can walk away anytime they want.
3. If they didn't like what he was doing, they would leave. Therefore, they must like it.

Later that night (in the club), he re-demonstrated even more dramatically by calling our attention "hey guys, right now, watch this, (alpha-caveman demo), see it's that easy." Sure enough, the women didn't leave, they stuck around for more of the same. This was very valuable for me.

At the end of Day 2 (in class), Matador set our goal for the night to be 1 makeout session. He asked if we were ready. I said "Hell no, I'm scared shitless." Then I remembered Mystery's advice from the previous day; don't be afraid to wreck the set, crash and learn.


Night 2 (at the club):

We had a VIP table. Matador did an endless stream of "alpha-kino-caveman" demos - which totally shifted my whole perspective.

Lovedrop continued to watch me in-set and provided post-set analysis of what I did right and where to improve.

I went into my social-dancing role (which I mastered many years ago), and eventually got my make-out session with a cute married woman. When I went for the kiss, she said "I'm married" - to which I responded "Hey, I'm not going to [have sex with] you right here on the table." We started making out. A few minutes later her friends came and took her away. It was fun. When I told Matador that I got my make-out, he said that he had done 9 so far - so I went off to open some more sets (practice, practice, practice).


Day 3 (in class):

- More comprehensive theory from Matador (hoops, neg theory, group theory, specific gambits, micro-calibration, shared projects, archetypes, etc.) - I already knew most of this from the book and DVD's, but it was great to be able to ask questions in an interactive format.

- Another great presentation from Lovedrop which covered Evolutionary Value Switches, Emotional Relevancy in Story Telling, Bait Hook Reel Release, Conversational Rapport, Building Comfort and Trust, Displaying Vulnerability, and a couple new routines.

- Mystery got us on the phone with Style (author of The Game), and provided a lot of motivation to continue practicing by showing us pictures of the results he has achieved - he made my goals seem very real and achievable (hell, if a tall skinny guy who didn't lose his virginity till he was 21 can get hot chicks, then so can I). He also demo'ed some cool mind-mapping software that helps to keep the social life organized.


Night 3 : bonus extra night

The seminar is advertised with 2 club nights but we did 3. I have no idea if this is normal or if they just felt like going out again.

I gave Matador a run for his money, dancing with lots of cool girls - BTW, this is a great wingman tactic to occupy obstacles.

Lovedrop, once again watched me in set and provided exceptional coaching:
- slow down, talk slower
- lean back
- don't make your hoops to big (move her 10 feet away before trying to promenade the club)
- when you are in the club, go on instinct - don't try to remember everything you learned in class - be the cool, unaffected rich guy who is having a good time no matter what happens

He also sent in a wing-woman to provide social-proof at a key moment in one of my sets - it worked great - thanks!

BTW, the 2 wing-women were great. They made it really easy to social-proof the room right off the bat. It is a lot easier to open sets when you have pre-selection.

Day 4 : brief wrap-up with Neo and Matador

Matador debriefed and answered any remaining questions before handing over to Neo.

Neo covered LMR (last minute resistance) - cool guy.

One of the great things about Neo is that he is short - which proves that you don't have to be tall to get girls.

I already knew most of the LMR theory from the book and DVD's. But one new distinction that I did get from Neo is this:
Fundamentally, a woman needs to feel that she has the option of keeping you around the next day.

Overall : Time and money well spent. I would do it again (and probably will). Highly recommended.

I first want to say I thaught I had quite good game from before and I'm kind of used to having the best game among the guys i hang out with. But the skill level of Discovery was beond what I have ever imagined possible in the field, this was extreme and realy gave me motivation to push the limits and change my game.

My old style is very natural direct and more David Deangelo style, if you want to just go into any room and owning at this ekstent I don't think natural will be enough.

(Nothing wrong with David Deangelo who has helped me alot. I recomend his products to everyone who are getting into this.)

But if you take a bootcamp, implement what you are learing there and stick with it I belive your results will be beyond what you can dream of.

I first purcased this Bootcamp because I was told from the Venusian arts that Mystery was coming to London and I thaught it would be smart/cool to take a bootcamp with him, especialy since my goal is to become an Instructor and teaching this.
I was realy disappointed when I i heard I had been misinformed and he was not showing up, but as a compensation for it Discovery promised a night infield with Mystery at any other Bootcamp where he is teaching.

The seminar part of the Bootcamp was good, Discovery is a great teacher and I learnd alot. Even thoug I think the Mystery method takes more practice to be good at than Natural style, I belive you will have a much better game when you get it implemented.

The in-Field part was also good. I was lucky enough to be paired up with Discovery both nights in field and got to see a lot of good game. And get a lot of motivation. (It is totaly different to learn this from the seminar and to see it beeing done in field.) I learn from doing and seeing what is possible and I can promise from what I have seen done by discovery at the bootcamp and what I have done my self since the bootcamp. You can learn to do the impossible.

Moonlight was also helping as a coach at this bootcamp, I did not see him do so much in the field since I was mostely with Discovery but what I have seen of him was all good and the guys that was with him had good progress so I also recomend his programs/bootcamps that he and his girl runs in Israel and Belgium.

Moonlight's beutifull girlfriend was also at the program helping.
Even though I don't think you should bring your girlfriend to a program you are teaching because it will limit and hold you back, she was of good help and a good pivet.

I also want to thank Sphinx who helped us alot.

This is one of the most expensive bootcamps on the marked and there ie a reason for that. I can recomend this for everyone from total newbies to experts.

Hey guys. This weekend I had the pleasure of meeting and watching Matador speak at his LA Bootcamp.

First of all, I am alumni from the Seattle bootcamp and I was only able to attend the second day because I was in town as a guest instructor at another popular bootcamp.

I skipped the second day of my bootcamp to attend this one because Matador has been the most inspirational PUA in my life, and this was my chance to meet him.

Before Matador arrived and talked to all of the students that went out infield the previous night, I had the opportunity to ask how he was out infield. Their was nothing but positive glowing things to say. It sounded like he was constantly in set demoing for everyone and he was working the room.

Listen. I have met a lot of big names in the community and I am friends with many of them. There is something different about Matador, and I mean that in a good way.

I believe its his overwhelming ability to make you FEEL good with the words that he is expressing. He speaks with inflection, passion, and enthusiasm. When he was talking to us at the break and doing little demo's, I could not help but be sucked in.

It was not that I perceived his value to be higher than my own or that I was star struck (I don't ever play into that frame because it is not part of my reality), it was just the way that he was able to deliver his words. This is the exact area of my game that I am working on.

Matador also showed us videos on youtube showing Jim Morrison from the doors. It illustrated how he was able to suck people in with the way that he spoke in his interviews and when he was singing live. He basically seduced the world. I used this as my new opener. I call it the Jim Morrison opener and it has been hitting.

Lastly, as an instructor I consider myself a MPUA. But Matador is at a Jedi level that far exceeds anyone that I have ever encountered. It was a pleasure to meet him and I HIGHLY recommend anyone to go to his bootcamps.

P.S. If nothing else, go to his bootcamps to see the size of this guys triceps. They are insane! LOL