"Good Overview of the Effectiveness of Social Circle Game, Especially for Dating High Quality Women"
November 24, 2014
FULL DETAILED REVIEW
Greg Greenway is known for his expertise on meeting and attracting women through accessing their social circles, and the King's Game provides an overview of how his system works. Essentially, the idea is that if you act like a king and other people treat you like a king, then women will perceive you as a king and be more attracted to you.
He talks about how he spent years trying to get results with women through cold approaching, but never really got the success he was after. Then once he started working on 'social circle game' he was able to date and sleep with some of the hottest women in the world.
There's some stories he shares here about flying on private jets, hooking up with a model from London fashion week, and being flown to Stockholm for his birthday to meet a bunch of hot Swedish girls. So there's an aura of travelling playboy that Greg details here, and the promise that you'll be able to have the same kind of lifestyle once you've finished reading this book.
Your Seduction Parachute
Before he gets into the specifics of social circle game, Greg spends some time talking about what he calls your 'seduction parachute'. This basically consists of working on your beliefs and mindsets to set you up for the best chance of success.
It's a lot of affirmations and positive thinking, but doesn't really contain anything new. It's very similar to the teachings of fellow dating coach, Brent Smith.
If you haven't heard this type of information before then it's something you'll want to pay attention to and spend some time working on. Essentially it's about changing your self-concept from its current state into that of a man who is confident and successful with women.
This kind of 'inner game' work can be effective, but it's best accompanied by working on gaining new positive reference points to go along with it. In other words, all of the affirmations and belief creation exercises are unlikely to lead to lasting change unless you're actually going out and having experiences to back up these beliefs.
Greg talks about a particular technique that he learned from Joshua Pellicer as a way to create new beliefs and how to test them to see if they have taken effect. It's something that you might want to try out and use it as an indicator for how much work you still have to do on implementing your new beliefs. If you've read The Tao of Badass you will have already seen this technique in that product.
Meeting Women Through Social Circles
The main idea behind everything that Greg teaches is that women are more comfortable dating and sleeping with guys from within their social circle, or extended social circle. So it doesn't mean you have to really know a woman yourself, as if you are introduced to a woman through a mutual friend then she'll be more receptive to you.
This is what's known as a warm approach, where the woman knows something about you or sees that you've been approved by somebody that she already knows. This is opposed to a cold approach, where a woman has no idea who you are when you meet her.
It makes sense that a warm approach is advantageous over a cold approach, as there's already a certain amount of comfort present as you have been deemed 'safe' by someone that she knows.
Also if you're really interested in meeting a particular type of woman, you might not have the chance to meet them through cold approach simply because you won't have access to them. The example that Greg gives is a Victoria's Secret photographer. The guy might not have the best dating skillset, but he's much more likely to date some of these models than guys with better skillsets, simply because he's around them all the time.
So if you're looking to meet really elite level women, your best chance is going to be through the type of approach that Greg advocates here in the King's Game. He talks about how he's met Playboy models, porn stars, fashion models and celebrities through this system. He also says you'll be able to do the same if that's what you wish for.
The reality though is it's not going to be as easy for the average guy as he makes it out to be. Greg moved to Los Angeles so that he'd be in the environment where he could start meeting the types of people and women he wanted to meet. Obviously in Los Angeles you've got a much better chance of meeting celebrities, porn stars and magazine cover models than you do in most other places.
Chances are you're not going to be able to uproot your life and move to Los Angeles, so you're not likely to meet and date the kind of women Greg says you'll be able to (porn stars, celebrities, Victoria's Secret models etc.). So you need to have realistic expectations for the women you'd like to meet and date, and this book tends to exaggerate the quality of the women you'll meet and the ease with which you'll date them.
What Kind Of Results You Can Expect
Even though you might not be in a position to meet the kinds of women Greg refers to throughout, you can still use the concepts here to meet the type of women you're attracted to. It might not be the girls who hang out at the Playboy Mansion, but it might be the girls who sit at the VIP table at the nightclub you like going to. Or maybe it's the girls who are into yoga and have athletic bodies.
The idea is to figure out whichever type of women that you really want to meet, and then set about meeting people who can get you access to those women. This way you'll be able to meet them through a warm approach and the women will be more open to dating you.
Essentially what this system does, if you're able to implement it correctly, is get you an introduction to women you otherwise might not have met. At best, some women will have a positive impression of you when you first meet them, meaning you're starting from a stronger position.
Everything that happens after that though depends on how good your social and dating skills are. For example, if you get introduced to a woman as a really cool and fun guy, but you're actually really awkward and shy around her, then the positive effect of the introduction is not going to count for much.
You still need to have the confidence and skills that it takes to attract women and develop a sexual relationship with them if you want to get tangible results. Basically this system removes the cold approach part of the interaction, but everything that happens after that is what will determine your level of success.
So if you're a guy that has solid social skills and have some experience dating women, you'll get better results than if you're a complete beginner. Also as this is primarily focused on dating the top tier women, you need to know how to be attractive to women in a general sense. If you're currently struggling to meet and date even average women, it's not realistic to expect you'll be hooking up with the highest quality women simply because you have a mutual friend. So be honest with yourself about where you're at so you can make an informed decision about whether you're ready for this.
Cold Approaching Versus Warm Approaching
Throughout the book Greg makes it pretty clear he is against cold approaching women, mainly due to it being ineffective and also because he thinks you should avoid rejection wherever possible.
If you do get to the stage where you have access to many different social circles and are constantly meeting attractive new women, you'll find that cold approaching becomes more or less obsolete. And you will almost certainly have a higher success rate from warm approaching.
However the benefit of cold approaching is it gives you a low risk way to quickly gain a lot of feedback from women and test out new ideas and skills. It's low risk because you don't know these women and are unlikely to see them again, so there's no negative consequences. This is particularly useful for beginner when just starting out.
In general we recommend not to test out different tactics and techniques on women that are in your social circle, as there's the potential to create problems if you make mistakes. Once you're more competent and know what you're doing you can get away with it, but until then it's much more risky.
You're also going to be able to meet more people and expand your social connections by cold approaching, so it's not something you should strive to eliminate. You'll get better results by cold approaching as well as working on creating the system that Greg teaches here, rather than just focusing on one or the other.
The skills and experience that you gain from cold approaching will also help you as you work on gaining access to more exclusive social circles. Because to meet some of these key people, or 'social influencers' as Greg calls them, you're going to need to be cool enough that they'll want to introduce you to the people that they know.
You want to be at the top of your game when you meet these people, as you might not get another chance with them. If you're socially awkward and uncomfortable around people in general, and women in particular, they won't be welcoming you into their group and introducing you to women.
Rather than burning through these opportunities, you might be better off cold approaching and working on your general social skills so that if and when you do meet the people that can connect you to the social circles you want to join, you'll be prepared and able to capitalize on the opportunity. Even though Greg is against cold approaching, he said he spent years doing this and undoubtedly the skills he learned would have helped him later on.
Is This For You?
Whether or not this product is right for you depends on what your objectives are and where you're currently at. If you want to build a lifestyle where you are really sociable, know lots of different people and are meeting women through social contacts, then this will be well suited to you. For this reason, it's generally going to suit you better if you're more of an extroverted person.
A lot of Greg's strategy revolved around meeting people in the nightclub and fashion scene, and attending lots of events and parties. The types of women he was after are typically very social so this is the best way to meet them.
If you're more reserved and introverted, or are looking for this type of girl, most of this system won't really be necessary for you. For one, you're going to have to invest a certain amount of time to go out and develop social connections. So this should be something you genuinely enjoy doing, not just a tactic for the sole purpose of meeting women one day.
The more that you're genuine and interested in the people you meet, the better the results you'll get. So if you don't really enjoy socializing and are just looking for a girl who is similar to get into a relationship with, you probably will find this whole system exhausting and unproductive.
It'll be much easier for you to meet women through online dating or cold approaching, as you can employ these methods and have a number of dates set up really quickly.
With this product, it'll likely take you a few weeks to a number of months to start seeing results, depending on factors like your personality type, how dedicated you are and where you live. It might get slower results in the beginning, but once it's set up you'll see a snowball effect and in the long term you'll get more success with less effort. This is why it's ideal for guys who are looking to create a lifestyle where they meet many women, as the time investment will pay off. If you just want one girlfriend in the short term, there are easier ways.
Specific Tactics And Techniques
The general style of what Greg does reminds me of everything that Brent Smith teaches. Some of the lines that he says are exactly what Brent teaches, so I can't say it's all that original.
It's all about making the girl chase you, so there's tactics like giving out your phone number and never taking theirs. The focus is more on fun and hooking up, rather than actual dating. You'll lose some girls in the process, but will put in less effort and get success with the girls who are really into you.
So to an extent it's a numbers game, and also why this is more suited to outgoing and sociable guys. It's a lot of getting access to VIP tables at clubs, going to after parties and having cool stuff going on you can invite girls to.
One of the negative things though about this product is it's lacking a lot of details in places. It's more of a broad view of how the system works, without giving you all the actionable steps on how to fully implement it.
For example, one of the main techniques is the Royal Tribute method, which is based around the idea that your women friends will help you sleep with their single female friends. It can be powerful, but is a bit over-simplified here and doesn't cover anything about managing expectations or how some women will be reluctant to do this because they don't want you sleeping with all their friends and creating drama and jealousy amongst their social circle. Guys with less experience will find it harder to implement effectively.
Throughout the book there's a lot of instances where you'll be prompted to purchase another of Greg's products or upgrade your membership if you want to learn how to do the specific thing he is talking about. So if you want to learn about getting VIP treatment in clubs, there's a product for that. If you want to learn how to attract the women you meet through social circles, there's another product for that etc.
The information here in the King's Game is good, but it's not as complete as it could have been. I don't know how easy it will be for the average guy to take what they learn and go out and apply it right away. And if you were expecting to learn everything you need here in the main book, you might be put off that you need to pay for access to other products and information.
For instance Greg teaches you about something he calls the 'rapport ladder'. He says there's six steps, then gives you three of them and says the rest are in another product if you want more information on it. And for the main skill that this system revolves around, how to break into any social circle, you need to upgrade your membership to learn how to do this.
It would benefit from toning down the hype a bit, as it makes it sound like this is a revolutionary new system that will have you dating and sleeping with models and celebrities once you read the book. In reality, there's some new names slapped on some ideas that have been around for a long time and you're not going to have the results come as easily as suggested.
It does provide a good overview though of the benefits of setting up this kind of lifestyle, and if you approach it with realistic expectations you can get some real value from it. Like all dating products, there are no magic bullets or quick fixes.
There's a number of bonuses included here, which are mostly audio interviews that Greg conducted with other dating experts. There's some good value here and the interviews are generally between half an hour and an hour.
They all have their own areas of expertise so there are different topics that are covered. If you're a beginner, the interview with Jon Sinn is well worth a listen as he covers the importance of learning how to socialize and have a normal conversation, and why you should focus on this before focusing too much on tactics and techniques that are taught in the pick up community.
There's also a solid interview with Joshua Pellicer, that goes into detail on how to work a room and create social value so that you become more attractive to women. It's similar in theory to the Mystery Method, and involves being more indirect, and this kind of style is going to be more beneficial in higher-end venues. He also covers some psychology theory and gives you some tools to check out that can help you get a better understanding of people and what motivates them.
There's some other good quality interviews included as well, such as with Andy Yosha about day game, Jason Capital, who wrote the foreword to the book, all about attraction, and Nick Sparks who covers bantering with women.
Overall there's some great content included here in these and the other interviews, and the guests are all highly respected dating coaches. So this helps add a ton of value to the main product, and will be worth listening to, especially for beginners.
The Bottom Line
The premise of this product is that cold approaching is an ineffective way to meet women, and that you'll have much better success meeting them through social circles. If you're interested in dating the elite level women (in terms of looks) then there's a lot of merit to this method.
However it does require some time and effort to get this set up, and some of the actionable steps on how to do this aren't included here. It'll tend to be better suited to more extroverted guys who can easily make friends with new people.
If you're looking to create a lifestyle where you meet new women through people you know, then this is worth checking out. If you're just looking for a girlfriend and aren't interested in meeting lots of new people, a lot of this method will be overkill. Instead, check out Girlfriend Activation System.
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