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Revelation

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"A Comprehensive Manual to Pick Up Artistry (Mystery's Upgraded Method)"

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The Good: Comprehensive description of Mystery's pick up artistry, extremely effective with high quality women, very clear description of the social matrix (allowing you to understand clearly social interactions), simple and healthy mindsets to help you act naturally
The Bad: Can be overwhelming for newbies/ beginners and scare them off/ demotivate them, difficult to implement because of sophistication - takes perseverance, high price ($99), a bit dated now (published 2008), some customer service complaints
The Bottom Line: At $100 this is expensive for an ebook. It's also a bit dated, having been published in 2008 (6 years ago). However it does contain good quality advice.

If you are ambitious in your aspirations of the quality (beauty) of girls you want in your life, or in building your skillset to work in bars and clubs, this book provides comprehensive advice on how to get there.

Important Update: In 2013 a more comprehensive course came out, that is a direct evolution of the mystery method system - 3 Second Sexual Attraction 2.0 from Mehow. It has more comprehensive content which includes infield videos with demonstrations.

Finally - if you are new to dating advice and haven't read any before this isn't for you. First read the the best beginner's book on the market: Make Women Want You to get your dating skills started.

DETAILED REVIEW

This book was the third evolution of the Mystery Method from Mystery (Erik von Markvoik). For background check out the complete evolution of Mystery Method courses in this summary Evolution of The Mystery Method and read our review of the former edition of Mystery Method.

This book was a surprise to me. I expected simply an upgraded version of The Mystery Method: How To Get Beautiful Women into Bed, but it turned out to be quite a bit more.

The Last Description of Mystery's Pick Up Technology from his Company
Revelation was extended beyond Mystery's original Mystery Method (MM) for picking up women to ensure that it was more comprehensive.

The original Mystery Method (MM) included: The M3 structured model, Group theory, Gambits and a Methodology for practicing in field (actually just a few principles).

Revelation adds to this the following:

- The Zen of Cool: The most fluid and easily understood explanation of how good inner game comes across that I have ever read.

- Delivery of Material and Lines: Lots of subtleties pointed out that held people back from implementing the original Mystery Method.

- Making Conversation: Same as above, lots of subtleties described well to help people to understand their importance and how to make this pick up approach really work.

Adding Some Good "Seduction Community" Advice to Upgrade Mystery Method
Revelation integrates many essential concepts that have grown up out of the community over time into Mystery Method, thereby making something much much more effective. It is done very well, and details from concepts taken from elsewhere flow throughout the book seamlessly, interwoven with Mystery’s concepts perfectly. Some of these include: Attainability/ appreciation from Sebastian of The Approach, reactivity, secret society and AMOG concepts from Real Social Dynamics, vibing concepts that surfaced in the community during 2006, ‘entourage’ from AFC Adam (Adam Lyons) and company circa 2007 and many more.

I was most impressed to see the integration of some aspects of the game that I’ve found important, subtleties that I’ve integrated over the years, but that have been less talked about outside of the older hands of the community who keep more to themselves.

Adding some Healthy Relationship/ Lifestyle Fundamentals Previously Underemphasized
“Any display of good manners or discretion will trigger attraction in women.”

I’ve never seen this written before and was impressed. It goes against a lot of the seduction community ’dogma’ that has unfortunately arisen over the years, and has been detrimental to the development of many students.

The book places important emphasis on “Healthy emotional programming – sincerity, kindness, ambition, industriousness, love and commitment, protector of love ones etc.” This is an innovative way to explain and convey important character traits that you should be taking on and why. Great stuff again.

The last chapter's review of plausible deniability, social norms and ASD is the best well rounded explanation I have seen anywhere of how to pull your game together fully. It will be very useful for anyone from beginners to advanced.

This Product’s Weaknesses?
My fear is that the wealth of information may be overwhelming for beginners. This is not through fault of good explanation, but more through the sheer overwhelming amount of content that is contained within this product. Mystery’s Method has always been the most complex, and this, while making it more accessible and simple on some levels, remains complex due to its sheer comprehensivity.

Some of the concepts may be difficult for newbies and beginners to understand. It is extremely comprehensive. And some of the concepts get less attention from others. Explanations should have been improved on some of the discussion of plausible deniability, serendipity and baiting with more examples for instance. For beginners or those who have studied less, these concepts will be difficult to implement due to lack of understanding.

Other weaknesses include are the price and customer service. The price, at $99 for an ebook, is right at the top end of the range. Customer service also tends to be challenging. We've received various reports from customers having difficulty getting in contact with their support.

Comparison to Other Mystery Method Based Systems
3 Second Sexual Attraction 2.0 (2013)
3 Second Sexual Attraction is the second evolution of Mehow's system. Mehow trained initially with Mystery and later on went into a lot more detail with his system. In the second version of his system, he has again gone into more comprehensive detail, so that it is more practical than former Mystery Method systems (including Revelation and Magic Bullets).

A key aspect of this is that he explains and describes the conversation pieces and elements you use in far more detail. In addition he includes real infield footage in the course, to show you what it looks like when executed. The price is also more reasonable compared to Revelation - especially given the much larger range of books, audio and videos you get with this most recent course.

As a result it is currently the best Mystery Method based course available. See our complete review here.

Magic Bullets (2008)
Magic Bullets is the competing product from Love Systems which is very similar in its base content. Where the two differ, is that Revelation has attempted to include more content from the softer side (e.g. Inner game) into its method. Whilst Magic Bullets remains technical, but has expanded further the original MM to handle more contexts/ situations and approaches.

This product has a slight edge over Magic Bullets in content quality, thanks to integrating a wider range of perspectives on the art of pick up (e.g. plausible deniability and inner game concepts). It also maintains an 'arty' feel to it, which is Mystery's style. If you like to learn through more general concepts as opposed to technical/ detail orientated rules, you are likely to find this product better suited to your learning style than Magic Bullets.

On the other hand, Magic Bullets, thanks to the detail it goes into tends to be easier to implement than Revelation. This is the main reason it has a higher rating than Revelation.

The Bottom Line
This product is a little pricy at just under 100 dollars for an eBook, but in content terms it's pretty polished. It is the most comprehensive look at Mystery's art of pick up, approaching and attracting women, weighing in at over 300 pages. So you get a lot of content for that money.

The more recent and comprehensive course, 3 Second Sexual Attraction 2.0 from Mehow, covers the same contents in more detail and more comprehensively - and is cheaper. It's the best version of the Mystery Method systems currently available. Nonetheless we recommend Mystery Method courses only for the intermediate to advanced students of dating advice (i.e. you are already getting good results), because of their complexity.

If you are new to dating knowledge, instead check out a practical and more easily implemented course like Make Women Want You.

Finally, for people in the seduction community for a while who haven’t been getting the results they want, perhaps through attempting to implement the original MM (Mystery Method), I would recommend The 4 Elements of Game which is the best run down of how to fix the problems you have and start getting results.

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A program that reveals practical emphasis on vibe, delivery, humor, microcalibration, and value switches that could assist you in capturing the attention of women.

The manual is a more recent publication that has its origins traced in the original Mystery Method Corporation eBook (The Venusian Arts Handbook), which Mystery Method Corporation formerly published before Mystery left and it changed its company name to Love Systems.


Dating Skillset:
Approaching Women•Attracting Women
Dating Company:
Venusian Arts
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Experience Level(s):
Intermediate
Dating Coach/ Author:
James Matador (Stan Tayi)Lovedrop (Chris Odom)Mystery (Erik von Markovik)

Learning Format:
eBook
Price: $97.00 - $147.00

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Release Date:
June 06, 2008

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Table of Contents/ List of Topics Covered:

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Table of Contents 2
Preface 6
Powers of Game 11

Evolutionary Backdrop 12
Survival and Replication Value 12
Social Alignments 16
Emotions 20
Reaction and Relative Value 27
Romantic Love is Value-Based 29

Overview of the Game 32
The Primary Emotions 33
…Interest 35
…Vibe 39
…Attraction 43
…Connection 47

The Zen of Cool 58
The Ghost 59
The Flame 61

Delivery 62
Body Language 63
Vocal Tonality 64
Facial Expression 65

How to Roll 68
Get Out of the House 68
Practice Your Game 69
Build Your Avatar 70
Bring Social Proof 72
Be the Observed 73
The Way of Being 74

Disinterest 89
Active Disinterest 90
Disqualifiers (Negs) 90
Hand-Throws 92
Under-Reacting 95
Preemptive Disinterest 96
Roll-offs 100
Disallowing Frames 101
Passive Disinterest 102
Avoidance 102
Impatience 103
Failure to Invest 104
Resistance 104
Breaking Rapport 105
Disacknowledgment 105

Interest 106
Proximity 106
Self-Grooming 107
Attention 107
Vibing 108
Value Offering 109
Passive IOIs 109
Touching and Affection 109
Bait-Hook-Reel-Release 110
Microcalibration 112
The One-Page Guide to Kino 113
Qualifiers 114

The Approach 118
Approach Guidelines 119
Beyond Opinion Openers 120
Body Rocking 124
False Time Constraints 127

Making Conversation 128
Being Talkative 128
Conversational Basics 129
Curiosity and Intrigue 131
Humor 132
Sexual Tension 148
Canned Material 151
Storytelling 153
Sound Bites 158
Frame Control 181

Group Theory 188
Opening the Set 189
Hooking the Set 190
Locking-In 191
Choosing a Target 192
Disarming the Obstacles 193
Holding Court 195
Handling Interrupts 198
Winging and Isolation 199

Conclusion 202
Acknowledgments 203

Notes 204
DLVs 205
Women Explained 212
AMOGs 228
Attraction Notes 232
Connection Notes 237
Anti-Slut Defense (ASD) 241
Plausible Deniability 242
Violation Theory 244

Congratulations! 254

Included are the following exercises, techniques and methods:
- Survival and replication value
- The 5 primary emotions you must instill in a woman
- How to set the vibe in your house
- The 8 visual clues, 6 behavioral clues, and 4 social cues that every woman is biologically programmed to screen for
- The 6 elements of connection
- How to confide in her
- The Mystery Classic Newbie Drill
- Building your avatar
- The 4 tribal leader characteristics her subconscious is always qualifying men for
- How the Roll-off is like a neg without words
- The 9 approach guidelines to get you into the set
- How she'll test you to see if you're the real deal
- 5 steps to add value and take the dominant role
- 5 step-by-step instructions to creating your own storylines
- The 11 waypoints of group theory
- The 5 common sticking points of isolation


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60-day return policy to get full refund



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15 of 27 people found the following review helpful

"WAY too complicated"

i got like maybe 70 pages into this thing and i stopped reading it. Being good with women is simple, and this book is so complicated it makes it sound like a battle for middle earth. All i found out from the first 70 pages or so was the "science" behind it and frankly idc about it. It's boring as hell and i don't need some over analytical theory to tell me how to be good with women.

Also i REFUSE to take advice from a guy who literally dresses like it's halloween when he goes out. Idc what anyone says, that just spells try hard and weird to me.
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13 of 14 people found the following review helpful

"Hands down - "Revelation" is a great book."

Hands down - "Revelation" is a great book. I would recommend it to everyone who's searching for a complete guide to improve your game with women. Lovedrop did a great job putting all the stuff together. The book is easy to understand and full of examples. The ghost & the flame concept is great...Lovedrop's style is writing is straight to the point - that's by the way why I didn't like Matador's chapter "The way of being" that much - although there are some good points, I didn't like the brief explanations of concepts like "Good manners", "Good Listener" etc. - all suggestions like "you must be this, you must be that" without any examples... The "disinterest" chapter is great, with many examples, so is "sound bites" and "Women explained" by Hitori and the AMOG-chapter. Final note: 300 pages full of great advice. The book is more than worth the money. In contrast to other guides that focus on theory too much, "Revelation" has examples that you can use in field and that really work.
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9 of 11 people found the following review helpful

"Full of useful Insight"

I am so lucky to have read this book. I am a huge fan of the movement. So i had read The Mystery Method then Magic Bullets soon after i became a fanatic of Mystery's VH1 series. I am far from a master but far from a beginner. With that said, this book, blows anything i have read or seen out of the water. It digs deep down to make things click, and hits every area with intensity. It covers everything! Matadors "Zen of Cool" in addition to Lovedrops nuggets of knowledge about humor and persona are priceless. They take the game to a new level and tackle everything in a easy way to understand and read. This book is full of useufll insight more than usefull examples, however it does include usefull examples! This book, from my perspective, aimed to reach people on a different level, it aimed to teach you how to develop inner game. It aimed to show you that the game is not a formula for getting girls, rather a formula for getting the life you want. I am so inspired and gratefull, words cannot adequatly express my appreciation in words. So, THANK YOU!!!
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5 of 5 people found the following review helpful

"It Deserves the Praise"

I don't know about the audio/video stuff, but their Revelation book is GOLD. It costs $97, but I really have to say, it was definitely worth it.



I hear that the rest of their stuff is rehash (so dont buy the audio and video IMO), but you NEED to check the book out.

Sorry if I sound like I work for them or something, but really. It completely deserves the praise.
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4 of 5 people found the following review helpful

"Mystery's most complete work."

Revelation is excellent. Mystery is...a troubled soul. The technical lack of empathy (humanity) is his work needs to be edited out like David D's bluff. It overwhelms and blocks out some of his key points on what he is trying to convey to the student. Can be overwhelming. It will take a personality change to work all of this in. It would be easier to follow with real world terms. This is not a ligth read, but is comprehensive. Hopefully, it will be rewritten and edited down without pictures and easier to understand graphs as well. Bottomline - there is much to be learned here for anyone. Therefore, I would recommend it to everyone. I will reread and update this product review again. If there is one dating product to not pass up - it's this one.
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3 of 6 people found the following review helpful

"My Inner Game Boosted Out Crazy."

I felt like way better as soon as I downloaded the book, just because of the expectations I had from the book. It's psychological you know.
It's not like you know any of the book but my inner game boosted out crazy.
I tell you I went all crazy as soon as I read that little page about "Social Superpowers", was that page 3? I just went out of the house and did lots of incredible things, just smashed through all my fears. But it was my mind mostly that did the trick. And Mystery, Matador and Lovedrop's book is presented in such a way as to stimulate such reactions. As soon as I saw the design of the book I thought "OMG, this looks more like a Dungeons and Dragons Guide, and I rememberd reading about Mystery being a pre-PUA D&D nerd or something. So I thought gee, to him all this is just like a videogame, it's like, when you play on your computer, yeah you do get a lot of emotions, but you don't actually feel anxiety when some "in-game social situation" is aukward. I just don't care, you don't react to NPCs the way you react to live people. I thought of this as the right mindset, a mind set of.. curiosity, in a place, the world, you need to explore, find out it's secrets, and tricks to win the game. Like a detached observator. This was huge and I had only read like 3 pages. For real!

Oh, and the best parts are about The Zen Of cool, kino Plowing, understanding ASD, sound bites, microcalibration and the article written by the asian girl(what was the name?H...). Comes to think every piece of it was just as inspiring.. let me think.. The Way Of Being by Matador? HUGE!


Originally posted on the Venusian Arts Forums. Reproduced with permission.
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful

"I'm Really Not Impressed "

Ive been using Mystery Method for six years. I recently read the new book. I'm really not impressed with the new material. The MM is so good y mess with it. I believe that the only reason this book was released was to compete with RSD's Blue Print.

Ther is some natural game in the new revalation book but it appears that Love Drop is just digging deeper into MM thats all. HE did a great job but I think it is over kill. Plus, I even recognized a little bitt of RSD in there.

Keep with mystery Method and develop your own game from it. And GO OUT! get off of the forum. Thats the only way that you can become great.

I have faith in you guys!!
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1 of 2 people found the following review helpful

"An Amazing Product!"

Well.. it is not only presented in a prettier package and easier way, but it also is updated with new tactics, a better microcalibration model.. the Ghost and the Flame chapter which basically was EYE OPENING. Before reading Revelation, watching the DVD's, and listening to the audio.. I had some major hurdles that I didn't think i could surpass by myself.. I thought I'd have to wait 3 years (which is when i turn 21) and earn lots of money to take a VA seminar. Although, i still can't wait for that moment, the Revelation Home Study Coarse helped me past these hurdles. I am actually saving up for a 1 on 1. If a book by the VA team, specifically Lovedrop, Mystery, and Matador could help me so much, I bet a 1 on 1 would be ever better.

Thanks for releasing an amazing product!


Originally posted on the Venusian Arts Forums. Reproduced with permission.
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful

"Overall, the Product is an Essential Reading."

I think what's written in Revelation is knowledge that all people should have and take the time to learn regarding social dynamics. I've listened to the CD's and watched the DVD's pretty thoroughly. For me, the biggest things I have taken and begun integrating into my sarges (and every day life) are the Yin Yang mindset of "being the Ghost" and "being the Flame". Since learning the principles discussed in Revelation I've witnessed how 'needy' my thoughts, feelings, and behaviors have been in social situations in the past. SO...thanks to the book I am now learning how important it is to Add Value to interactions, use body language to make sure people do not feel threatened by my approach (common courtesy), and just basically being playful, fun, and interesting.

Overall, the product is essential reading. It's one thing to read and learn all about this stuff and it's another thing to actually go out regularly and practice it. So, I make a point to literally go out as much as I can...even if it's for one beer at the local pub.


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0 of 0 people found the following review helpful

"The Revelation Book is just Amazing."

i've gotten about halfway through the book. I've finished Audio disc 3 so far. And I'm on the third DVD right now. GREAT product so far. It was totally worth the money to me. This has got to be one of the best products out there for people who are into the seduction community. The revelation book is just amazing. And I LOVE the fact that it is in printed form so I don't have to sit on my computer and read it. I can actually read it like a book. I think every company with an ebook should make a real printed copy of the book. It just makes reading a lot easier.


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