Reviews written by Angel Donovan

Some Good Guidelines

In the first two chapters most of the advice is good in terms of the guidelines she provides. It's practical and down to earth most of the time - which is good. If you can take principles, understand them, and apply them to how you do things yourself - then you can get a lot out of these.

Not So Hot on Implementation

The clearest example of bad ones were in the chapter on "Situational Observational Text". It's a great approach (as she mentions), and was originally designed many years ago by Sebastian Drake (of The Approach). However the texts Kezia describes don't do a good job of demonstrating how to do it.

Interestingly, I noticed that most of the texts in this chapter look a lot like the texts I've had sent to me by women chasing me, or trying to impress me over the years. That's where the problem comes in.

This issue of the texts being a bit on the girly side is repeated in the chapter on "Question Texts" and "Ping Texts". Incidently, the "Ping texts" from this chapter are pretty much all based on texts used and taught by other dating coaches. No points for innovation here.

As we're on innovation, there are some parts of original and useful advice in this book. They tend to come from the female mindset (more on that in a minute), and include ideas that I haven't seen in dating advice products before. Practical advice on when to call and how many times to call for instance.

Some Thoughts on The Female Perspective.. Useful?

This is the first time I've reviewed some of Kezia's work, and she's one of a very short list of female dating coaches that focus on helping men. What were my thoughts on the result?

Here's what I found with this eBook. Kezia does a good job of explaining what you shouldn't do and why in many cases. She doesn't do such a great job of explaining what you should do to get results, though.

If you think about it this makes total sense based on the experience Kezia will have. As an attractive girl she is obviously used to getting sent a lot of texts and called a lot by guys. She has a lot of experience in bad things that guys have done that have gone wrong in this department. De facto.

On the other hand, she doesn't have any experience in sending texts and phoning women to get dates and meet up with them later. Some of the male dating coaches I know have sent tens of thousands of texts over the years and made hundreds of phone calls. I'm certainly in that region. This is quite possible the reason behind this. Which may give you a hint as to where it will be most useful to get advice from women on dating women? I'm just thinking out loud here.

Packaging and Finish

The Bottom Line

However, if you want to improve the results of your texts and phone calls with women there are better products out there. Check out our ranking of text and phone game advice.

What I noticed pretty quickly was that one name came up a lot more often than others. "Viren Swami". If you look at the research carried out over the last 20 years you'll see that Dr. Viren Swami has carried out a large number of the controlled studies into physical attraction and written many more articles. He has been published over 100 times on the subject in various scientific and peer reviewed journals. I decided that a much better approach than reading hundreds of research papers was to go straight to the source "Viren Swami", and fortunately he recently published this book with his co-author Adrian Furnham summarizing the knowledge on physical attraction research in 2007.

Understand the Full Breadth of Academic Research in a 164 Page Read

Swami takes you through the implications and conclusions from his educated perspective of all of the academic research up to 2007 (which is virtually all of it). It's a huge feat, that he does well. To give you an idea, there are over 40 pages of references to research studies at the back of the book.

Fortunately, the book is written from an inter-disciplinary approach meaning that the differing perspectives are explained with an evaluation of their biases. The authors don't give you the 'evolutionary psychology' view and leave it at that. They look at each, and research from each of the 'scientific camps' and the evidence to date, and give you reasonable conclusions from the combination of these views.

Anyone who considers themselves at advanced level and wants to stay on top of their game and really understand what is 'proven' and what is still up for debate in the academic world should read this.

Interesting Content to Challenge Your Thinking

1. Does your body shape and fitness make a big impact with women?


2. How much of a challenge is being bald when it comes to attraction?


3. Is the bearded look a good way to go?


4. How important is the tone of your skin to your attractiveness?


5. How does your physical appearance affect other areas of your life? Such as your career?


6. Etc.

Some Weaknesses and Loopholes in the Research

Don't get me wrong. This book represents are more rigorous analysis of what can and cannot be proven about attraction and in particular the physical aspects than most other books out there. But in this area of 'health' that is touched on in the book the authors had stepped out of their area of expertise. I was only aware of this because one of my other passions is health and I've seen a lot more of the research than the authors it seems (and my knowledge is not that thorough either). I'm not a scientist. Just a numbers and quality information driven ex analyst ;-)

Academia vs. Experimenters

When you read this book don't expect to learn the most innovative and cutting edge thinking into how to attract women or make yourself more attractive. For advanced readers like myself, it gave me many ideas however. New ways of looking at things, and in areas where I wasn't 100% sure perhaps, it gave me an even harder conviction of my ideas.

Reading this book shows how academia and the experimenters have much to learn from each other. I would love to see them work more closely together, as they are doing in some areas of scientific research in the world. Why not dating and attraction also?

The Bottom Line

So for newbies and beginners to dating advice, I advise you not to start here. Start with something that you can implement and get results from in our beginners section instead.

If you are at an advanced level, however, and you like to keep your art and knowledge up to date, this is a book you shouldn't miss.

Image and fashion skills is one of the two areas (Relationship skills being the other one) where DatingSkillsReview believes there is still a lack of quality products to help guys despite these being important areas that men need support with.

The Adonis Index Philosophy

I've personally been into fitness a long time and was aware of this, as I know a select few of the dating coaches are in the world, and they have purposefully built bodies that fit this attractive ratio. Brad Howard and John Barban are obviously among these. So this isn't secret information Adonis Index is giving you.

However, what they have done is pull together all the research into one eBook that explains it really well and introduces a newbie or beginner to it really easily. They've done a great job of making it easy to understand and clear for anyone new to the subject (which is 99% of men of course).

In a nutshell, The Adonis Index Philosophy is to build a body that has been proven by research to be the most attractive. They advise ignoring a lot of the information on fitness in the media, which is mostly aimed at creating demand for fitness products, which I couldn't agree with more.

So these guys have done a great job of simplifying it down to what is important and rejecting all of the dubious information that is misleading out there. This actually isn't a small task - it must have taken quite a bit of work, which is easy to see through the number of research studies the ebook references.

But is it Easy to Implement?

So that's all good.

Once you have identified your custom program you follow a typical 12 week long program (12 weeks has become the fitness industry standard these last years).

Disclaimer: I haven't done any of their 12 week programs myself so I can't give you direct feedback on their effectiveness from personal experience. I wouldn't be a good example to track results since I already have close to the correct "Adonis Index" score. However, from my personal experience these workouts would achieve their goals with one caveat. I'll come to that in a minute.

The requirements for the program are that you have sufficient time and a gym with the standard range of equipment. For the middle of the road program "Build and Burn" as an example you will be working out 6 days per week with 4 days of an hour to an hour and a half each and two days of about half an hour. That adds up to between 6 to 8 hours exercise time in the gym per week.

The Program's Weakness - Nutrition

However, I found it a little surprising where it comes to the "Burn" program in particular that there wasn't more information on the rest of the diet.

All my experiences says that nutrition is always going to be an essential factor in fat loss - Adonis Systems seems to have skipped over this point. There is no advice on nutrition to lose fat, and the subject is passed over very quickly. This is the caveat I mentioned earlier.

For a Fitness Beginner or an Advanced Trainee?

From the implementation side, the exercise explanations etc., I think intermediates to advanced gym goers will get the most out of it.

The explanations and instructions are easy enough to follow and there are clear directions for the exercises. The issue for beginners, if you haven't trained before is that there are important gaps in areas such as safety in the gym and as mentioned above - nutrition.

The Adonis Index Systems Community

The Bottom Line

Here's what we recommend: If you don't have an ideal physique, in particular if you believe it to be quite far from the ideal (either too skinny or too fat) then working on this is really your first priority. The Adonis Index System provides some great information to help you focus your efforts on the right goals. If you are a beginner, understand that for implementation you will have to read around the fitness subject (or pester people in the Adonis Index forums and read up on the content there) in addition to this to get the most out of it.

Overall, it's a one of a kind product at the moment. So if you are struggling in making a first impression with women and haven't taken care of your physique et - it will be a good buy for you.

The first thing to say about this ebook that it's advice fits with a particular mindset and philosophy towards dating women. In this case, Paul Janka's mindset is the 'industrialised approach'. In other words it is adapted towards 'efficiency', and the goal is to date lots of women (aka sleeping with them) with a minimum of time investment and time wasting. You can learn more about in Paul Janka's Bio.

We discussed the merits and disadvantages of this philosophy previously in our review of Attraction Formula (his first dating advice publication).

As with all Paul Janka material, the upside of his advice is that you can be sure the advice has been tested and practiced thousands of times by Janka during his years as a hard core player.

Systematic Rules to Follow

Yes, meeting and attracting women is a question of 'soft skills', but there are areas where you can provide clear rules that will improve your results 90% of the time.

Example of these rules are times he gives you when you should or should not text a girl.

Another aspect I loved about this product is the ruthless flow chart Janka gives you to show you what to do when the girl responds one way or another or not at all. Clear. To the point. Dummies could follow it, and it will definitely improve your results. In a word "Awesome". This is exactly the type of no nonsense diagram some guys need.

Subtle But Very Important Tips on What to Write

The part I really liked were the tips on how to construct texts. He provides some excellent reminders of what is necessary to provide the right response from the girl. These include explaining the tone you need to give, what the major issue is with the girl so you know what your texts have to avoid, and tips on how to convey the appropriate mood (and what to avoid so you create the wrong one).

I haven't seen any advice as clear as this on text 'writing style'. Great stuff.

You'll find some of the best material on this point in the full length text conversations Janka provides in the appendix, which true to form, show some of his unsuccessful text exchanges where he points out his mistakes. You can often learn more from mistakes than successes - so this is great. Janka earns respect for putting these out there, and not trying to maintain any image of 'imaginery perfection'. Uncommon amongst dating coaches.

Calibrating Key Moments and Situations to Take Things Forward and When to Hold Your Ground

This is good stuff to break some 'limiting beliefs' of newbies or guys who aren't as comfortable with girl's sexuality. Janka breaks down some of these, illustrating how quickly things can move forward, and how sexual a girl can get within a short time, and with knowing very little about you or having spent much time with you.

Great reality breaking material, that will encourage guys to get out of their comfort zone and push things where they wouldn't normally or to hold their ground - more importantly he provides clear ideas on when the girl will appreciate you for it.

Quirky Over Emphasis on Some Parts

Examples are some of the detailed advice he gives you on how to take her number and when you shouldn't text a girl. They are valid pieces of advice, just not likely to be applicable to most situations for the majority of guys who read it. They are both more applicable when you are in a really rushed situations.

If you get the book, look out for these if you are a newbie. The only reason I point these out, because they really are very minor, is that I could see a newbie without perspective getting overly focused on these things - when they are really not a big deal at all. You can take a girl's number many other ways just as effectively for instance. So don't get hung up on these details.

Not for Perfectionists or Guys Who Want that One Girl

There are weaknesses to this approach with texting. Some of the texting advice is basic in its 'efficiency'. So if you want to make more of an effort to get one girl, Janka's advice doesn't go all the way to give you ways to make it work when a girl's phone number isn't as solid (meaning she needs more convincing to engage in texting with you or meeting up with you).

In particular his advice on 'pinging' girls to stay in touch by texting and following up by text to start setting up dates isn't as engaging as other approaches, and will get a lower response rate.

Calling the girl is hardly touched on - only used as a last resort type of move. In my opinion it is under represented in the book and should have been given more time as calling the girl can be very effective at making some less solid numbers work for you, when done right.

So, if you want to master text and phone game and push the skillset as far as it can go - this book doesn't contain everything you need.

The Bottom Line

The simply applied advice in this book will be particularly good for you if you are new to dating advice. Just make sure that you are okay with Janka's mindset. Read up on it in our profile of Paul Janka before you invest in buying this.

This one stood out above the rest however. I saw as really applicable for someone who wants to take their first steps into dating.

So I was surprised when David replied "Really, I think that's my worst product... I'm working on an update to make it much better." You can hear what else we talked about in the interview here.

As soon as David puts his update out I'll update this review. But here's what I thought about the current version...

Taking You Step by Step Through Your First Steps

This is a very important part of the learning process. The exercises are really simple and well laid out and by the end you will have a much fuller understanding of where you are at in terms of your dating skills, all the opportunities you are leaving on the table - just letting walk by you in 'your life', and how to ease yourself into accessing all of those opportunities.

It doesn't get over-complicated. No matter how basic your understanding of women and dating - this will take you on this trip of self discovery and realization of what your dating world can be like - and should be like.

Everything is so simply and easily explained in this book. It really is a triumph of getting down to the basics - and focusing on the student. Giving him what he needs at each step of his learning process.

Practical Get Out There Process - One Step at a Time

Great stuff.

Some of my favorites were his advice on improving your observation abilities, and his lists of places and situations where it is easiest to meet women. All exactly on point. I've met many of my girlfriends in exactly the places he describes - and he gives you the most easily accessible ones, and the ones that are most likely to be within your 'comfort zone' immediately. He couldn't make it easier for you to get started. I love this practical in your comfort zone approach.

Maturity Comes Through in the Advice

If you are mature yourself, this also means that whereas with some younger dating coach authored advice you may feel it doesn't fit with you - this won't be a problem with this book.

Minor Areas I Think the Book Would be Better Without

There is a little bit of a rant about how 'pick up lines' and 'routines' are a really bad way to approach dating. Whilst I pretty much agree with this - there are exceptions, I don't think it needed to be 'ranted' about so much. If you know David Wygant, and have listened to him before, you'll know this is kind of his thing - he's pushing back against a lot of the advice from many other dating gurus that encourages this. However, I feel that many of the guys that buy this probably wouldn't know about the movement for 'pick up lines' so it was an over-emphasis and distraction, although he makes some good points.

A similar issue is that around page 64 he starts giving advice about men who are being overly sexually aggressive with women. The things is, the guys who buy this - we're pretty sure that 'sexual aggressiveness' is far from their issue - in fact it is more likely the opposite, where you are hiding your sexuality and repressing it too much. So we felt that guys buying this wouldn't relate to it or need it. Throughout the book there are some tips on what 'being sexual' with women should be, which is more appropriate. This part, seemed a little out of whack with the spirit of the book.

Another point, is that he makes quite a big thing about checking for details through observation on whether a woman is single before talking to her.

First of all, it doesn't matter. All girls like being talked to, whether single or not. And you will find out later by talking to her - the truth of the matter.

Second of all, this is pretty counter productive for most guys, because it will give them an 'escape excuse' to talk themselves out of talking to a woman because they think she is not single.

So, it's just a bad idea to start down this road. Some guys obviously feel like this is an important detail, and Wygant probably thought that it will help increase their comfort zone and ease them into meeting women in that comfort zone. But in reality, I think this will just make the comfort zone smaller - and hinder success a bit. Not a huge thing - but an important mindset tweak.

Another thing is that

The Bottom Line

If you have heard about the pick up artist or seduction advice stuff, and that sounds creepy to you or just 'not your thing', this is also a great book for you. It's extremely down to earth and totally within the comfort zone of everyone. You could show this book to your mother and grandmother and they would nod and say, "This is good stuff. Other guys should read this."

The point of this course is to make sure that girls do not flake on you (not return calls, texts and cancel dates with you).

Short, to the Point - the Most Important Things You Need to Know

Sinn relates the most important things you need to do from when you meet a girl to meeting her on a second date. What to do when you are taking the number, what to do afterwards, he gives you recommended timings for doing things. It's all good stuff - and actually exactly what I do. This stuff works really well.

I have no doubt that Sinn is really good at making sure girls don't flake. The advice is spot on.

If you read, learn and understand and apply all the advice in this course you will be really good.

Here comes some of the issues that may prevent you from doing this...

A Product a Bit Thrown Together...

The style is very informal, Sinn rambles through some of it, in the same way that he may be talking to you face to face. The subject changes and goes backwards and forwards a bit.

For some areas there isn't a lot of detail. It's clearly assumed that you have studied advice in the "Pick Up Artist Community". If you haven't, you may find yourself a little bit lost with some of the things Sinn assumes you know already.

Another issue is that this is obviously an after-thought packaged course. What I mean by that, is that the material was written and recorded for other purposes and later packaged into this "Flake Elimination Toolkit". There is a lot of overlap between the Phone Game 2.0 audio and the two ebooks for instance. Useful and different details or examples added in each, but also some "uggh? I was just reading that in the other book on..." feeling.

The result of this is that if you are new to dating or pick up advice - if you haven't studied other advice in the pick up artist community, this isn't the best product to learn from. It's short, and to the point. Which would be okay if it didn't assume you knew the basics already and that you are familiar with all the pick up artist community basic advice.

In short, if you don't satisfy these requirements - I think you'll have a hard time applying this advice. So, you'll be better off with something more structured and better prepared.

The Bottom Line

Having said that, here's what I recommend. If you have been in the pick up artist community for a while, understand the jargon etc. and you are good at learning and implementing with less hand learning. Get this. It will work for you.

If this isn't your situation. Get The Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game from Love Systems instead. It's a lot more detailed, voluminous and better structured to learn from - even if you are new to dating advice and haven't read anything before.

Good Solid Content

The content is effective, and we've rated it an 8 on that dimension. Part of the reason for this is that it uses the Love Systems approach as explained in Magic Bullets as its foundation - already a good system. If you use a Love Systems style approach you'll feel right at home with this.

There is some room for improvement however - that we'll get into later in this review.

Some of the parts that make Daytime Dating stand out are how it explains what you need to do differently from meeting women at night. Your ability to hold and lead conversations for instance, is emphasized over some of the more 'fun focused' approaches most coaches recommend you use in bars and clubs.

Conundrum - Magic Bullets Required Reading or Not

The end result is that you'll be able to make best use of Daytime Dating if you already very familiar with the Love Systems approach to dating and have already read the Magic Bullets Handbook. However, while reading Daytime Dating as a consequence you will find many of the chapters have similar content to Magic Bullets with some details on Daytime Pick Up integrated into them.

Note: If you've already read Revelation has a lot of similarities in content to Magic Bullets, you will have a good enough understanding of the principles to not have to buy Magic Bullets in order to get the value from Daytime Dating.

Personally, I feel that it would've made a lot more sense to just require people to read Magic Bullets before Daytime Dating, and have focused on creating only original content for Daytime Dating.

Having said this....

What is Original that isn't in the Magic Bullets Handbook?

The original material, that adds to what you may have learned in magic bullets handbook, is found in some specific chapters and the bonuses.

"Chapter 9 - Conversation mapping"

I would've liked this section to be a lot bigger and see it go into a lot more detail in fact. When you first approach women during the day there are not that many different responses that women give you - it would've been great to see these listed and some good responses and conversational approaches to make the best of each response for example.

So, there's an opportunity to take the reader by the hand and walk him through the conversations with more step by step tips and specific examples here. That would deliver tremendous value to men who haven't approached women during the day before. In many ways meeting women during the day is more scary than at night - because it is less common and socially acceptable. More detail in this chapter would help to eliminate that anxiety and fear - because the reader would have a much better understanding and expectation of how a woman is likely to react when he approaches.

Bonus - Approach Anxiety

If you have read a lot of this type of material there is nothing that innovative however. If 'approach anxiety' is your sticking point, and you need something better, the best advice on the subject can be found in The Complete Game Seduction System by Chris Andersen.

Bonus - How to Learn Productively

The Bottom line

It's a bit unfortunate that it is tied in to Magic Bullets in a way that means you should get that too, despite there being a lot of overlap of content between the two.

If you use Love System, Mystery Method or Venusian Arts' dating systems this will be a decent bridge to learning how to use those systems to meet women during the day.

If you want something more innovative to shake your system up more Paul Janka's Attraction Formula will be better for you.

Gambler has repackaging this knowledge into a system that looks a lot like the original Mystery Method with some modifications and differing emphasis.

Down to Earth Discourse

For this reason the material is more approachable than some of the other books out there. If you want an easier way to start out and are intent on the 'pick up artist' approach to dating, then this could be a better option for you than working through Revelation or Magic Bullets Handbook, which are comprehensive/ better, but harder work.

Doesn't Live up to its Branding of a New "Natural" Approach

In reality though, the biggest difference is its branding. The Natural Art of Seduction takes the ideas from the pick up artist community that have helped the author, Richard La Ruina, personally and combined them with some of the most popular (and helpful) self help advice.

If you have studied any pick up artist concepts before don't be surprised to find them reprinted in this book word for word. There are many examples of routines given for example, most of them taken from the stash of routines popularized by Mystery, Neil Strauss and TD.

Natural Approach - Having Conversations with Women

The best of these was the part on conversations which has quite a bit of practical advice on how to structure conversations for guys who struggle to keep conversations going and connecting with women through conversation. This is perhaps the most common stumbling block for men and was the one piece of content that was relatively original in the book.A lot of their content is obviously inspired from NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming), which Gambler studied previously and Anthony Robbins spoke highly of when he first became popular. Typically I'm not a fan of NLP because it can be a little weird and there is little to no scientific proof of its effectiveness. However I found its use here was down to earth and useful.

Stash of Pickup Lines - Some Ok, Some Cheesy

Overall I found the quality of these to be average to poor. Lines don't have to be great to work, so you could use them quite effectively. Personally, I shuddered a little at the thought of using them because some of them remind me of the lines pickup artists used to use a long time ago, and others were just a bit cheesy.

Help with Typical Sticking Points

These are typical 'sticking points' for guys, so the advice is valuable, although .

A Fairly Comprehensive Look at Pickup, but Shallow Content in Places

One of the worse examples is where Gambler has quite a lengthy section talking about the evolution of his own image, but surprisingly at the end of it, there are very few tips or practical guidelines given on exactly how you should improve your own image.

Where it comes to vocabulary, you are introduced to concepts such as 'frames' and 'sets' without any explanation. You'll probably manage to figure these things out, or if not you could google them and find a quick answer. But this takes away from the value the book could have had to beginners by making it less easy to understand.

The Bottom Line

If you are more serious however, both Magic Bullets from Love Systems and Revelation from Venusian Arts are more comprehensive (if more expensive) products.

If you've already read some advice from one of the pickup artist gurus, or have spent a lot of time reading pickup artist forums, we recommend you don't buy this - as you'll have probably seen a lot of the content before.

Important Update 30th July 2011

The links on this page to buy Pandora's Box go to a 'one time buy' version of the Pandora's Box that is not billed monthly. You will be charged $69.95 once only. This review is for this 'one time buy' version of the product.

To see information on the second product that is billed $99.80 per month - named Pandora's Box 32 Week PhD in Female Psychology in addition to the first payment, see this page.

Introduction

This is a product that will be useful to you if you are already getting some success with women, but don't get consistent results. For instance, you get a lot of success with some types of women but not others (perhaps the ones you want).

The reason is that:

A. This is a dating strategy product. In order to use it you already need to have some basic approaching and attracting women skills.
B. It is high on theory and low on implementation 'how to' advice. This makes it difficult for you to implement unless you already understand a lot and can use the theoretical ideas to figure implementation out for yourself.

Having said that, let's jump into the product...

Does the System Make Sense and is it Realistic?

1. 1.
   Do these dimensions map to reality of women? Pretty good. I did the exercise of classifying all of my girlfriends and it was useful for around 80% of them. For the 20% I had trouble with they were pretty unique personalities and not from the U.S.
   
2. 2. Will the dimensions help you to understand women's behaviors better? Yes.
   
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   3. Now, the real test. Will you get better results if you adapt your behaviors to women who differ on these dimensions? Yes.
   

Weaknesses of System to Be Aware of

A Gap in the System - Self Esteem

Self esteem often affects how women respond to the ways you communicate with them, and most definitely in relationships it has an important role to play. This is a real gap in the system from my point of view. Including it would have taken the system to a whole new level of depth - but perhaps the complexity would be too difficult to teach then? Or to make sense of? It puzzles me why it would be left out.

Cross-Cultural Applications

Not so Hot in Implementation

The pieces in this product as it stands alone are:

1. "The Profiler Quiz": A short 9 question multiple choice that you can run through for a girl you want to know the type of. At the end it gives you some summary analysis of the girl's type. I ran it for a range of girls and sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. For me it wasn't consistent and it was much more effective to just think about the girl and decide what she was based on her behavior.


2. Pop Quiz This test is supposed to see if you can figure out the personality types of women based on some behaviors. In practice, this was made super simple so that it really doesn't help. It basically repeats behaviors they've spoken about being relevant to types and then takes it to extremes to make it really easy for you to identify.


3. The Ultimate Strategy Guide: Disappointing...

Disappointing Ultimate Strategy Guide

A few examples:

1. "The main mistake guys make with this type of woman is LOOKING at their hand when touching her. Do not do this. She will immediately see you as trying to sneak a touch in."


2. "Don't be afraid to laugh at yourself."


3. "The best way to have great body language is to a) relax your body, b) look happy."


4. "Remember that with a [personality type A] she can't think that you are with her just for sex."

"When women get dressed up, drink a little alcohol, and go into a dance setting, they almost all turn into TDI-playettes."

TDI-Playettes are of their 8 personality types. This point seemed to undermine the whole value of their system, saying that all girls suddenly become one type when in bars?

The good news for Vin and Brian is that this isn't true. Some of the insights in the different behaviors of women are definitely relevant in bars also - all the time (unless you're talking about becoming senseless drunk). So despite this remark in their product, I'd say their insights are more relevant than the statement would infer.

Summary: My feeling is that Vin and Brian were trying a bit too hard to make women sound different in this important chapter of the course. It could've been simplified, and would've been far more useful and valuable if it had been left simpler. Complexity is often not better - or necessary.

Over-zealous Marketing, Building the Product Up and Yawnn....

It also claims that it is the first dating system that customizes your approach to different women. The first was actually Dating to Relating published back in 2007. Although as you'll see from our review Pandora's Box is much more effective than Dating to Relating.

In the actual product the marketing continues.

The first four parts continue a mixture between basic dating advice (a review of principles covered in Vin DiCarlo's first book The Attraction Code), marketing and building up the Pandora's Box product. This is an important part of why we have given this product a low customer packaging/ service rating. The product is professionally put together apart from this overly-commercial focus of the content. You don't pay a high price point, as with this product, to have to read through a lot of marketing - it's unreasonable.

If you haven't already read The Attraction Code this will be less noticeable for you, as there will be some new content. For those that have, you may find yourself, like me, reading quickly through all these chapters, scanning the pages for something interesting - which doesn't happen very often.

The marketing appears a lot less from Chapter 5 onwards, although it does make the odd appearance in the form of telling you a concept like "Threading" would be really useful to use in a particular situation, and then telling you you can learn it in a bootcamp for example.

Customer Service Complaints

We contacted DiCarlo Diclassified about these and are satisfied that they have dealt with them.

They explained that there were some issues at the start, but they had now been resolved. They increased the capacity of their servers and the size of their customer service team to cope with what had become overwhelming demand.

The Bottom Line

If you already have the skills to meet and attract women, have become observant of women's social cues, and are getting 'sporadic' success then you may be ready for Pandora's Box. If you don't, then your time will be better spent learning from other products.

The ideas on different personality types are useful, if not complete. So for those at an advanced level, this will get you started on thinking on a new level and have the potential to help take your game to a higher level.

The guidelines on implementation are 'shaky'. There is a mixture of good advice that makes sense, some confusing advice, and some generic guidelines that are relevant for all women in all situations. This is another reason why this product should only be looked at by guys of an advanced level, so they can see past this.

Mature Advice and Relationships

Mr. L. Rx. hammers on about his philosophy with women and how it leads to healthier relationships and greater satisfaction for you. He gives you some great mindsets and ways of looking at what you should be doing if you want to ensure relationships last.

For example, his insights into the importance of women feeling 'safe' and what that means are all valuable and true. And these are often underestimated in dating advice, especially where it concerns relationship skills advice.

Some Nice Original Content

Ok, time to move to the not so good...

Failed Attempt to Simplify Dating Advice

Note: This was true at the time, but no longer. Vin DiCarlo has a product that also takes different women personalities into account named Pandora's Box.

"Dating to Relating's system" focuses nearly completely on different approaches for women with different personalities. On the whole it stays away from teaching you any skills that would be useful with all women, except where he talks about some general rules for relationships.

This can be very appealing to beginners, however, does it work?

The answer is that some of the approaches have some value and could work in some situations, but overall, this system doesn't work. There are two big issues with it: the approaches are outdated and the part of the system used to understand what type a woman is, doesn't work.

Outdated Dating Strategies

However today, from experience, I can say the strategies given are far too simplistic. You'll basically have to get lucky to come across a girl these strategies are still relevant for. As a result, maybe these strategies will work 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 times.

In the past, the personalities of everyone were less individualistic. The growth of the availability of media and choice in the world has fueled each of us taking our own paths to more independent thinking, and as a result individual personalities. Women today are more complex than the basic types he gives us - they've had a greater range of influences and experiences.

In any of the international cities of the world which are multi-cultural, this would really come to light. If you are based in New York, London, Los Angeles or any other big city outside of the U.S. - the over simplistic approaches described will be clearer to you even more quickly.

Strange and Misleading Advice About Women's Feet

This was the most curious thing I found in this book. It was out of place, because it was so bad. Mr L. Rx gives you misleading and weird advice about people's feet. He tells you that you should look at women's feet to understand what type of personality they have and the approach that will work with them. I had never heard of this, and was very dubious, so I felt compelled to do some real due diligence. I researched it and tried to find some psychological study or something to support it. Nothing. I also spent a couple of weeks checking out the feet of women and the way they stood and walked, before I spoke to them and... all I can say is, the principles he discusses had no relationship with what happened in the real world.

So if you get this - ignore everything he has to say about women's feet ;-)

More importantly though, this puts a big gap in the whole system, since you will be left to your own means to identify what type of girl she is (and the resulting dating to relating approach) you should use....

Promotion of Dating to Relating on the Net

We had the concern that it was being pushed because of commercial incentives, rather than due to the quality of the advice.

Our conclusion is that whilst it isn't a bad product, and contains some good and at times very mature advice, it in no way deserves the hype and ratings that I've seen on some of those sites.

One of our users alerted me that Amazon.com has a lot of positive user reviews for this product.... I actually relooked over my notes when I saw this, in case I may have missed something. I hadn't. But as I went over my notes I could see how to 'beginners' to dating advice, "Dating to Relating" could come across very well. It does a good job of conveying to the reader that it is very good advice they are getting (by pointing out feasible weaknesses in other dating guru advice), and some of the advice indeed, is very good. But some of the advice is also not very good, and even misleading.

That's the advice that would lead you to waste your time trying to use some of it because it doesn't work.

The Bottom Line

On the other hand, there is some misleading advice in the book also. If you use it, you'll end up wasting a lot of time - especially if you are a beginner, which this book is aimed at. So at Dating Skills Review we don't recommmend you buy this book.

The exception I'd make, is if you have a lot of time, you've already read a fair amount of dating advice and have some experience (so you can tell what won't work) and don't mind spending the money. I did take some interesting take a ways from this book after all.

Pretty Good Overview and Some Good Practical Tips

Some of the more original advice it contains, are insights into "flaking precedence", how to use social commitments to help make sure she meets you, and the use of intrigue and escalating quickly.

One thing I liked about this book is that it is pretty direct about what you have to do to prevent flaking in the first place - it doesn't give you a lot of information about the subject, but it does give you the broad lines of most of what makes the difference between a girl flaking and not flaking.

Weaker Points

The main downside to this ebook is simply that it doesn't provide enough information or detail about a lot of what is covered, and doesn't look at some important aspects of 'flake prevention' to really make it useful to you. This is likely Vin DiCarlo's marketing at work - to give you a good taster of what is in store if you buy the "No Flakes DVD program".

The Bottom Line

A New Philosophy

So what is this philosophy?

This system aims to build a good dating life for you in the most efficient way possible. It does not necessarily help you to attract the best women, but it will help you to meet and attract women without wasting too much time. It doesn't focus on helping you to get any specific woman... in fact it advises completely against this.

Sixty, the author, gives you a mindset of efficiency and not wasting any time in life. The aim is to maximize the results from the time you put in. Rather than putting a lot of time in to get any one girl. If there is a risk of your interactions with a woman not getting the desired result, he tells you to move on, and he explains how and why to do this at each step.

This is a system that will best suit a guy who has a philosophy of playing the numbers or can at least accept that philosophy.. or for a guy who has aspirations to be a player.

If you have used advice from Vin DiCarlo, some of Sixty's principles, have incorporated similar concepts (e.g. sexual tension, building value through physical escalation).

Having said that, let's move to the highlights of this product...

Simple Goals and Tools to Get You There

Sixty has really tried to focus on only that which matters and identify specific things to do so there is no confusion. Only that which will make a big difference to your interactions with women.

The rest of it, he says, is mental masturbation. There is a lot of straight talk throughout the book, and a lot of things that are commonly sought after like phone numbers etc. He pushes you to rethink their value and exactly how they can help you get to your goal with women - quickly.

In most cases he gives you some good tools in the form of practical tips on what to do to get to these goals. These practical tips were best in the first two ebooks (women ignition and fearless relentless escalation), weaker in the third ebook (simply start sex) and near non-existant in the fourth ebook (Relationship Roulette). It's a shame the last two ebooks don't follow the same format, since a lot of the value of this product is in the specific goals and tips.

Excellent Approach Anxiety Fixes

For a large % of men, Approach Anxiety (AA) is the barrier holding them back from getting more opportunities with women. Ask yourself if this is your issue.

The nature of approach anxiety is that you are not taking action in real life, so in a way, reading a book seems like the wrong way about going to resolve it. However, the little step by little step and incremental approach given in this book is about as easy an approach as possible to get you over it. At the end of the day it's still up to you to take these little steps. It's not going to fix it like a magic wand - but it is the best collection of advice I've seen put together on the topic.

This is also the best part of Sixty's system - it stands out amongst all other dating advice on this subject, so we've given it the Dating Skills Review Editor's Choice award for it. If you apply this advice properly it will work for you.

Weaker Third Ebook - Simply Start Sex

I found myself skim reading most of it and only stopping when something more interesting popped out. It includes a quick sweep over Sex which is a bit like a highly abbreviated form of the Sex God Method.

One part stood out that included some good insight into the mindset of guys who aren't escalating to sex. If you find yourself always making excuses to not escalate to sex with women - you'll get some value from it.

Relationships Roulette - Interesting, Innovative but Incomplete Section

If you are at an advanced level and interested in pushing to new ways of seeing and dealing with your relationships with women, this will probably give you some interesting ideas. If you aren't at an advanced level, this is just not going to be relevant to you.

When it comes to practical tips in this section, there is not much and I found some of it confusing. If you don't have a background of reading a lot of pick up artist community material, there are many concepts you won't understand and will have to investigate on your own.

Result: The philosophy is clear, but the practical implementation of it isn't.

Appreciated - Truth Talking

If you go to bars and clubs a lot, you will certainly be able to relate to a lot of what he says. It's all grounded in reality and tell it like it is and not covered over with any need to sound cool or substantiate his success with women.

Some of this reveals hard truths about the game of dating that should be faced, and others relate the ups and downs of 'the game' that many guys will be able to relate to. He places these into good grounded perspectives.

Why is this good?

It will give you more realistic aims, and support the health of your inner game and confidence. Many guys get caught up with unrealistic expectations and don't understand some of the results they get in real life, since they don't relate to what they read in advice. Where dating gurus relate some of the harsher realities, as in this case, it helps you to connect your own experiences better to the advice - and set more realistic expectations of what you need to do to get the results you want.

OK, But Is this Philosophy For You?

It's good that Sixty has simplifyied everything through a narrow philosophy - for some men, this will allow you to unleash your dating abilities. Focus allows you develop much faster, and he has pinpointed two of the biggest barriers with approach anxiety and physical escalation.

But at times he gets a little carried away with the narrowness of the philosophy.

Example: At times Sixty advises you to do away with strategies aimed at dealing with logistics smoothing because they are lame. For instance, just grabbing a girls hand when she is with her friends and pulling her away. Sure, you can do this sometimes. But, it's an unnecessary risk when you can do it more smoothly in a way that her friends are happy with.

For someone at an advanced level, it will pay to keep the broader picture in mind. For someone stuck at an intermediate level, it may pay to forget the broader picture, at least for a while, to get the value out of the simplicity and focus of this dating system.

So, you'll need to consider this for yourself.

Do you need to narrow your focus to get results? Are you getting held back (like the majority of men) by approach anxiety and fear of physical escalation with women?

The Bottom Line

If Approach Anxiety is what is holding you back we recommend getting this book. It's best in class on the subject.

If you are in a similar situation but your challenges are broader than approach anxiety and escalating The 4 Elements of Game is likely to be more effective for you.

The experience was like going through Internet forums that are badly moderated, where you have to sift through mountains of irrelevant or bad advice to find the gold nuggets. It's challenging. And not what you buy a book for - you buy a book to avoid all of that time wasting and distracting or misleading noise.

Warning: This book has a lot of what I'd call dangerous advice. It is full of advice that is just plain wrong and could potentially lead men to do very silly things. For this reason I've highlighted some of the more ridiculous advice later in this review.

Beware the Misleading Title

I point this out because the title is obviously very effective, and a topic that guys want to read about. You wouldn't believe how many searches we get for this book on our site.

Unfortunately the content inside the book doesn't fit with the expectations the title sets for you.

Useful Part - Introduction into BDSM

As a result, this book will give you some insights and very practical tips on what to do if you want to develop your life sexually in this direction.

It introduces you into many BDSM concepts, vocabulary, mindsets, typical people you find in its community and so on. Enough to make you feel a lot more at ease with the subject if you are new to it.

Many of the BDSM tips are good, practical, and play on the general psychology of sex. Some would be effective in any sexual relationship, not necessarily just between partners that have mutually consented to get involved in BDSM. They would stimulate healthy sexual development in a relationship. It gave me some more perspectives to look at and add to my own knowledge.

There are many many ideas given on what to do with your woman, the majority of them degrading, humiliating, dominant or kinky to some degree to fit with the BDSM theme.

Useful Part - Psychology of Sex

This is all relevant and educational and similar to material contained within the book "My Secret Garden" by Nancy Friday.

It can give you insights into the darker (or less discussed) side of the psychology of the sexes. However, I'd recommend reading the Nancy Friday books, because they are better researched and structured and don't contain...

Fluff... Fluff.. Boast.. Boast.. Blah.. Blah

Amongst the topics passed over are politics, your apartment, plants and cats, skinny vs. chubby women, myspace.com, TV etc. etc.

You have to 'wade' through a lot of irrelevant material that is tedious, and for some people could be misleading (if they take it seriously).

Ok, So Now Let's Move to the Ridiculous

1. You should not wash your bed linen often, because if it has cum stains on it from women, new women will be unknowingly motivated to have sex with you when they get near it.


2. Advice on how to fatten your woman up (because she is skinny which ThornDaddy explains at length is not what you want) including specific dietary and meal recommendations - peanut jelly sandwhiches are a feature.


3. Advice on how to fatten your woman up including specific dietary and meal recommendations - peanut jelly sandwhiches are a feature.

Unhealthy Mindsets

Some of the insights you get into the values of Thorn Daddy include:

1. Don't seek out beautiful or attractive women, seek out chubby or fat women who aren't so attractive because they are easier, more fun and better in bed
   


2. Attractive or skinny women are bad in bed, no fun and only give you drama.
   

Remember this: You learn more about a person's success and results through their limiting beliefs than through what they say they have achieved (or boast about, more to the point where this book is concerned).

I highly recommend NOT taking in or accepting the limiting mindsets contained in this book. They will only stop you from building a truly satisfying dating lifestyle and limit your success with women.

The Bottom Line

Overall, it isn't worth investing the time in reading it.

The issue is basically that Thorn Daddy has written a long book and put all of his advice in it, many random bits of life. Thorn Daddy, has obviously spent a lot of time in BDSM and experienced a lot from it. This positions him as someone you can learn from on that - on BDSM.

But the rest of his advice is just kind of amusing and a little retarded, it had me smiling and shaking my head, if not laughing. If he cut all of the non- BDSM material out of this book, it would get a much higher rating from us.

It's a 260 page paradox.

If you are specifically interested in investigating the world of BDSM and kinks, and you are at an advanced experience level (so that you know what to ignore in advice) then you could skim read through this book and get a good practical start into the world of BDSM.

Editor Note We will look out for a better introduction into BDSM which doesn't have all the minuses of this book and update these recommendation later.

This DVD set is a bundle of some of the personal coaching skype video calls David made with clients. So throughout the package you have him going over their profiles and approach to online dating. This gives it a bit of an improvised feel (unlike a preplanned course), but also means it is embedded in reality - the specific cases of some guys who are online dating.

Does the David Wygant Approach to Advice Suit You?

So consider how you like to learn and how much hand holding you feel you need. If you are someone who can take principles, approaches, and mindsets - guidelines on how to approach something and run with it and do it yourself, this is good for you.

On the other hand, if you are someone who likes to have lots of examples of exactly what to say and what to do to follow. Then you may find this frustrating and difficult to implement.

Check out David Wygant's profile to find out more about him and his style.

Experienced and Straight Forward Advice

The advice demonstrates his experience, especially where he gives straight forward pointers and explains where you shouldn't waste time. He offers great advice on where to focus your attention, time and effort to make the most of it. You can see that he sees it very much as a tool to get to the end result - and he pushes you to focus on getting the results.

Advice on Your Profile

His main advice focuses here on how you should communicate, and the style of presentation of the information you put there.

Contacting Women Online

He talks about their realities, and what's going on with them, and how you need to be approaching it as a consequence in order to make the most of it. His points on the effort you need to make with each woman, what to get from their profiles, how to customize to them, the importance of differentiation, how frequently you should communicate with her and how fast you should escalate and take it offline were all right on the money. Good solid effective advice.

The advice on the emails themselves covers some details such as length and style of emails, but as mentioned before don't expect many specific examples. He tells you what you should be aiming to do, and the type of impression you have to make, but doesn't give you the exact words of how you should do that in many examples. A few here and there.

His explanation of how writing email for online dating differs from phone or meeting face to face with women was good, and again as he gives you the context of the women, it's helpful and clear so you know why you have to approach it that way to get results.

Rough Comments But "Gets What Women Need" Approach

In fact, the mysoginist comments seem kind of out of place really, since David's approach towards online dating approaches it from the woman's perspective in a totally non-mysoginist way. Funny little paradox there...

The Bottom Line

Because of this, if you already are quite good with women offline, then this could be a good product for you too.

On the other hand, if you know you are someone who needs specific examples of what to say, and you don't have much experience or results with women offline, then you'll need more than this. You could use it as a first stop, but there are probably better and more detailed products that you should consider first.

Doing takeways and setting boundaries are a form of setting the respect level you will get from women and men alike. In this interview, obviously, it focuses on women, however the skill is also relevant for your life in general, from friendships, social circles to your career.

Takeaways and boundaries are nothing new to dating advice, however the detail, subtleties and and frameworks added in this interview make it a fresh and more powerful subject. They really cover it well.

Needs to Be Practiced, But Relatively Easy to Implement

Braddock and Daxx talk about this quite a bit in the audio, but they obviously don't cover all the situations you will be faced with. So your job with implementing this will be getting a feel for the right situations to apply it and which approach to take from the ones advised by Braddock and Daxx.

Having said that, the many many examples given from the experiences of the coaches really bring this interview alive. It will give you a great start in getting the feel for when you should apply boundaries.

If there are some situations where they discussed less, it is in 'relationships' where boundaries can play a very important role. The audio interview was already longer than usual, but it's a shame that more examples of this topic in relationships weren't given - that would be extremely valuable - we have yet to find and review anything that covers that specific topic very effectively yet.

Who Will This Be Most Helpful For

So - the ideal time for you to study this is when you are getting success with women, but not the best ones - the ones that you really like and see as higher quality. If you find that these types of women are getting disinterested in you after a good early interaction, and maybe even being disrespectful to you - this is really a great product for you. I'd strongly recommend you get it.

Also, if you have relationships where your girlfriends are giving you a hard time, disrespectful even, then this is definitely something you should study also.

Minor Weaknesses

Daxx overall doesn't offer as strong advice as Braddock. Everything that Braddock discusses is very detailed and to the point. Easily understandable. Some of Daxx's explanations are not quite as clear. I'd recommend keeping this in mind as you listen to the interview.

The Bottom Line

It does a very good job of it. It contains a lot of the methods I've learned over the years and combines them all into one system. I didn't think they were related, but it turns out that a lot of the techniques I've been using and picked up over the years through experimentation were part of the Tantric Sex discipline. Makes total sense.

There are elements some of you may have heard of named as the "Deep spot" technique by David Shade and the technique used in the videos "Squirting 101" to make women ejaculate.

In White Tiger Tantra, these are called the "Yin" and the "Yang" positions. Some other variations of these positions and some more complex ones are also explained in the video, although in the demonstrations Steve Piccus uses just the Yin and the Yang for 90% of the time. There is also a helpful PDF report explaining each of the hand positions and how to use them.

Note: These are all hand positions, White Tiger Tantra only shows you how to use hand techniques.

Why Would you Buy this Product?

White Tiger Tantra does two things very well:

• Awakening women sexually: For women that have not previously orgasmed, or rarely do with sex, or would like to be more orgasmic this is the best product I've seen. It is really the focus of the product and what Steve Piccus has been building a reputation for.
  


• Ejaculatory orgasms: Although it isn't the focus of the DVD, it is also good at teaching men how to get women to have ejaculatory orgasms. It is the best product I have seen that teaches about how to get a women to ejaculate for the first time. It only covers using hand stimulation, so I emphasize the first time.

  Note: Later it is possible to get a woman to ejaculate when you have sex with her - once she has been awoken. The only product that covers that is "Squirting 201".
  

Some Stuff May Not Be That Relevant to Your Interests

This obviously takes a lot of work on your behalf to get good at it, and also time spent massaging your woman. This may not be something you are interested in and is arguably best for longer term relationships.

Not Necessarily Suitable for All Women

Comparison with Other Sexual Skills Advice

This is a much better and more comprehensive product on ejaculatory orgasms than Squirting 101. However it is also a lot more expensive.

The Bottom Line

A Story - Advice Manual Hybrid

The Philosophy and Mindset of Mystery

When I taught bootcamps many years ago one of the key questions that would come up with students was "Is this for me? Should I be doing this?". Sometimes half of the bootcamp would be conveying my philosophy about it all to the student. And I know that this is something that today, many coaches are doing with their students in field. Because it matters.

If you believe in what you are doing. It makes that difference. If you don't. If you have that hesitation about what you are doing. It can really be very detrimental to what you are trying to achieve with women.

So if you're a guy who likes the Mystery Method approach but feels some of that hesitation inside you, this is something that will help. Mystery is completely happy and content and a believer in what he is doing is right. And he conveys it all very clearly with many anecdotes, examples, metaphors and stories throughout this book. The real mindsets behind what he does are communicated.

In the last chapter, Mystery also admits to his own underlying flaws and how they motivate him. He talks about his need for women to support his happiness because of his ego and is very authentic about how he thinks and works. In reality, most men work this way - but they don't admit it. Mystery's admittance and explanation of these flaws will help you to connect with your own flaws and use them as he has done - or at least understand them better.

Note: Mystery's team attempted to convey more about the way Mystery thinks in the DVD product "Magnum Opus - Mind of Mystery" (no longer sold). At the time of its release (before we founded Dating Skills Review) I watched some of it and was disappointed. It came across as dry and I managed to watch just two parts of it before I stopped. I wasn't getting anything from it (keep in mind I've been in 'The Game' for 10 years). They had set it up as Mystery sitting around having discussions with women about the pick up arts. It didn't really hit the note. So, this is their second attempt to get a product out that effectively communicates 'The Mind of Mystery').

How Does The New Pick Up Artist Compare to Other Mystery Products?

Now, how to compare it to Venusian Arts' other products.

In the video products where you see Mystery teaching in seminars there is a lot of value in listening and watching him because he is charismatic and a good speaker. He believes in what he is saying, so those videos have always added more than the books about his methods. They show you who he is, his attitude, and in that way you can understand better how he does what is explained in the books.

So what has been done with this book is try to relate some of that value in book form, and in a more complete fashion. The subtleties of how he thinks about women, approaching and so on are communicated. Some great excerpts discuss areas such as how much effort you need to put in to get girls. How successful the best are such as him (no he doesn't get 100% of the women he approaches) and he explains how good you can get and the variables you are dealing with. He explains how he goes through 'dry spells' and how he gets past them.

If you are a guy who is obsessing about not getting every single girl you are after, then this could help you to get some perspective on that too.

I was surprised by this book because I'd been putting off reviewing it. I've read and watched all of the Mystery products and I was looking at it as a chore to just have to do. Surprise. I enjoyed this book (I listened to the audio book).

There was little new to me but I appreciated their efforts and the value of what they were doing with this book. I've heard or read 90% of it from Mystery in fragmented bits of everything I've learned from him over the years (from forum posts, his videos and his books). But having it all packaged up in one book, meant that who Mystery is and how his mind works with respect to women was communicated much more clearly.

Prerequisites to Reading the Book

Random Storylines Interrupt the Flow

Some of it helps to convey the personalities and how they relate to women, and also elements of the social dynamics of the world we live in and other details that are useful about the way they run their lifestyle. For example, how situations and entrance to clubs and bars are socially engineered by the clubs and how some of the Hollyword house parties are run to attract women as well as how a celebrity does it. Interesting anecdotes.

However, some of it also seems to serve more to 'agrandiose' Mystery. You may find yourself thinking where is this going at times. I think the idea is a DHV (Mystery's term) to the readers. Letting them know how great Mystery is. So don't take it in too seriously - it's just scripted dialogue. There isn't that much of it.

It is Mystery's Method - Strong Bar and Club Focus

The Bottom Line

Some clarifications for people thinking of buying this.

First, it doesn't explain his full method like the book "Revelation" does. (Note: not Mystery Method - Mystery Method contains more dated and less complete advice than Revelation, so doesn't fit with this new book as well).
AND they want to use this as an 'add on' to improve the details and subtleties of what they are doing after having put into practice the contents of Revelation.

It does give you a lot of insights into techniques and parts of what he does throughout, but I don't think it is the best way to learn about the 'method'. I see this more as an 'add on' for someone who has bought, read and been studying and putting into practice the contents of Revelation. I wouldn't suggest getting this book on its own and trying to implement it.

Second, there is another side of the coin. If you are interested in Mystery and still unsure about this whole pick up artist thing, and what Mystery does. Is it for you? Then I think this is a great book for you. By reading it you'll know whether or not it is for you. Whether you can accept or take on the mindsets and philosophy of life (and women of course) that Mystery adheres to and proposes. So, in that situation I'd say buy this before you buy anything else about Mystery - find out if it's for you before you get more involved with any other of his products.

It's obvious the product was pretty much improvised. It isn't a product that was thought over for a year, with all the details worked out. As a result it remains pretty general and not so concrete and robust in areas. Each point hasn't been thought out in detail.

Basic Texting Advice

What I liked was how he got down to what you should use texting and voicemail for and he lays out some important principles to follow. This was to the point and good advice. Many guys get caught up in using texting and voicemail in other ways that are counter-productive. So he sets things straight, quite repetitively in Wygant style.

He comes back to principles as he takes you through several case studies of text conversations that he and his coach have had after meeting women. While doing this he is constantly talking about where the girl and your relationship with her is at. So, it is an exercise in giving you more insights into how to calibrate your responses to her. All this is pretty useful although there is no specific structure that is given to you to work with - it's more like touchy feely advice and guidelines.

A weakness is that there is little attention given to how the girl may respond differently based on how you got the number, how well you set yourself up for further conversations then, and the first impression you made. Depending on these variables a girl can respond very differently and it requires different approaches - this is discussed only briefly.

Texting While in a Relationship

Texting in this modern age can play a role in developing a relationship and making it more playful and fun, and that is what Wygant talks up.

David Wygant has focused around a third of the material, with one long case study, on texts after the first time you sleep with her. Whilst there isn't a wealth of information, it does give you some broad strokes on how texting can help to smooth the development of a relationship. Good stuff - this kind of practical hands-on material should be added to relationship advice products.

The Underwhelming Explosive Texts

It's really three texts reformatted with different verbs and slightly different themes. Most rely on the same structural principle, so this was disappointing. You couldn't actually text the same woman more than two of the texts easily without her seeing the pattern.

In addition, for a sophisticated woman - I personally wouldn't use most of these texts. They are very transparent in the way in which they attempt to get her interested. A more socially savvy woman will just see these texts for what they are. If you have a playful vibe set up between you already, they'll work, but then... any type of playful behavior would. Bottom Line: The texts are ok, but not explosive. There is much better material out there with a broader range of themes and approaches.

The texts in the other ebook "a guys guide to texting"(walked through by Wygant in the second audio) are reasonable, and pretty good for beginners to learn from. There is nothing like seeing actual examples of texts to see how different the attitude is that you have to communicate.

For guys with more experience, at an advanced level, these texts aren't going to help you improve much. They tend to portray a pretty typical attitude - which isn't calibrated very much to the woman or situation. At an advanced level calibration is what you need to work on.

Bonus Audio 3 - Less Useful

There were some limiting beliefs and not very good advice embedded in it about how you can deal with women that aren't responding to your texts. In fact, there is a lot more to the bigger picture of why this happens, that simply wasn't part of this product so don't expect to learn much about this theme.

The second part of the audio has David's dating coach, Adam, talking a lot about some basic principles of women. I felt that this got completely off subject. If you have read some basic dating advice about women you probably have this covered. It wasn't about texting or even phoning women, as much as broad generalizations about how to interact with women. Nothing original or innovative here - it was what you will hear in any average dating advice product.

Wygant Style - Good for Beginners

The Bottom Line

It stands out from other products by discussing texting after you have slept with a girl and how it can play a role in developing the relationship. This is something not found in other products.

Overall, the product's advice is too basic to provide a full solution to help you with texting. This could be fine if you still don't get a lot of phone numbers and just want some advice to get your feet wet. Also, if you find listening to Wygant helps to get you motivated it could be helpful for you.

What would have taken this from good to great?

If texting is something you are getting really stuck on, you'll want to check out a product which looks at it more comprehensively "The Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game".

Sticking to the 80/20 Rule

Which brings me to...

They said it - in a community of men studying to get better with women - no one talks about the biggest reason for men not getting results. They don't put it first, they don't give it the priority it deserves.

Rob and Zack said it. Drive... (another word for stepping up and pushing things forward with women). The 4 Elements of Game dedicates the first quarter of the book to inspiring you to focus on drive before everything else, and telling you how to do it. I salute them - it had to be said like this. And they do it well.

Very. Simple. Very. Practical.

He manages to make most subjects simple to read and understand. At many times he reduces everything down to a simple phrase that helps you to get it all. One of these diamonds is:

"Oversell everything in you life but nothing about yourself."

For those who have read a lot of dating advice, you'll know that this sums up succinctly a lot of what you've learned and read about communication.

Reading through the book it was obvious to me that these guys have spent a lot of time meeting and dating women. They get it, and have been able to translate all their experience into practical - short advice.

An example of the practicality of the book, is the use of 'conversation templates' for you to use. There aren't that many of them, and to be honest it is stuff I and many guys have either known or read about for a long time - but... they have translated that knowledge into a few templates which make it easy to follow.

Easy to Relate to

Many of these are screw ups where Rob and Zack learned their lessons. Many guys will see themselves in these situations. I was glad to see that the traditional barrier that Dating Coaches put up of being semi-perfect wasn't here.

You can get a better feel that these guys are just like you, and they've had, and still have their screw ups. But, that it doesn't stop them from getting the success with women they have searched for.

I liked this authenticity and think it will help guys by making it all more approachable and accessible for the typical guy. They tell it like it is when it comes to mistakes. They happen, and they don't completely disappear one day by a miracle. But it's no big deal.

The writing style is also has a fun vibe. So it isn't a tough read, it's pretty enjoyable.

Customized to Your Needs

The reality is that every student is different, and that he has weaker and stronger parts of himself (naturally) that are effective to attract women.

So when someone learns from dating advice there is a risk that he will over emphasize something that he was actually already ok at. And the truth was he needed to focus on developing another part of his skills.

The 4 elements of game tries to address this through the idea that balance between the 4 elements is what you need to achieve. They explain and give examples of how a guy can be good in one area and need to work on another area to balance it out and get good.

This is an important point, and many students get advised on dating bootcamps about these issues - but this is the first homestudy product I've seen that attempts to address it. Good job.

What Wasn't So Great?

The section on storytelling broke with the mould of the rest of the book and got kind of complicated, with quite a few rules and - basically, it just wasn't something you were going to implement easily and quickly. Unlike a lot of the books content - which kept to that rule.

I also felt they were 'over-reaching' themselves a little in this section - like they didn't 100% know how to teach this particular aspect of their dating system.

Guys Challenged with the Complexity of Dating Advice

I think this book, right here, could be the solution for those in that situation. This book reduces to simplicity a lot of the complexity. It may not be the perfect guide to dating women, but it certainly hits the 80/20 of it. The important stuff is covered and handled.

If you are feeling cluttered by dating advice for men, I recommend you try this one out to clear up the mess.

The Bottom Line

This book differentiates itself from the rest of the dating advice market by being really good at 3 things:

1. Prioritization on only the important

2. Making advice simpler and more practical

3. Advice that takes account of your natural abilities and customizes what you need to do based on that baseline

This book is definitely good value for money.

Which Physical Issues are Covered?

Some that they missed or paid little attention to which I would have addressed were being too skinny and too tall (yes, it does happen - some guys feel incapacitated by being really tall).

A Solid Approach to Mentally Dealing with your Hang Up

When it comes to mindset they communicate both a good approach to dealing with your "hang up" and quite a few mindset tips specific to the conditions throughout. By listening to the discussion you should be able to get a more 'realistic' appreciation of your hang up. In particular, the stories the instructors discuss about students that have overcome their physical obstacles should be inspiring and certainly prove the point - that no matter the obstacle, you can deal with it, and limit its ability to interfere with your dating life.

Suggestions to Control and Improve Could Have been Better

For the most part, from my knowledge, the directions they give are good although it was obvious that the subjects weren't particularly researched and the instructors were basing the guidelines on what they had come across in their experiences with students etc. For the interview they should have done their homework to provide better quality guidelines.

In the area of sexual performance the advice was particularly shallow and not so much on the ball. If this is your particular issue there is much better quality and comprehensive advice in Revolutionary Sex and Sex God Method on this topic.

For acne, there are more solutions available that weren't discussed - the drug they recommend IMHO is pretty dangerous over the long term and should be a last resort once you've looked at other paths.

The Bottom Line

The guidelines for actually controlling and improving on many of the issues weren't as good as they should have been - they needed more research. In particular, if you have a sexual hang up, you should look at the other products I suggest instead - they will deal with it for you (where this product won't do the job).

As with most of these interviews, I feel the price is a little high for the information it contains.