Insider Internet Dating
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"Has Some Decent Information In Places But Is Outdated And There Are Better Products On This Subject"
Last Update: February 28, 2014
So a lot of the ideas are based around being cocky and funny, challenging women, being mysterious and not making yourself too available. It talks about making sure you don't come across like every other guy on the site and not being too easy to get.
The reality is that there is a high ratio of men to women on these sites and attractive women get bombarded with messages from guys that often just get deleted. You have to do something to stand out and pique their interest, and Dave focuses on displaying attractive characteristics so women will see you as having value.
The actual way the product is delivered is a mixture of audio files and screen-capture video files. The audio lessons are each on a specific topic, and are just a few minutes long each. The videos consist of Dave walking you through his profile, watching him send out messages and other things that you can see in real time.
Your ProfileThe first main thing that you'll be taught is how to create your online dating profile. Dave takes you through his own profile on Match.com so you can see word for word what he has written.
There's some decent ideas in here, but nothing really new. One thing he mentions at one point is to make sure you use correct spelling in your profile and messages, but his own profile is littered with mistakes.
He goes over some ideas for photos, and you can see his own photos that he has included. He shows you how he uses a photo sharing site to get feedback on a bunch of different photos, so that he makes sure he's only including the photos that make him look as attractive as possible.
At times it feels like he is prescribing that you do things in the way that has worked for him, like going for the GQ look, but it might not suit who you are. For example, he says to include at least one photo of you in a business suit, but this might not fit in with the overall image that you're trying to present.
Depending on which site you're using, you'll generally be prompted to enter extra information such as what you're looking for in a woman or what some of your interests are. The particulars of each site aren't covered, so you'll just have to focus on the overall attitude you want to convey and then fill in each section accordingly.
There's a suggestion of a particular type of website you can check out to source good ways of describing things in your profile. I've never seen this idea before, and I can see how it could be effective if you know what you should be looking for. Dave goes through quite a few examples online and shows you how to take certain things and adapt it for your own needs, which if done right can make your profile more intriguing to women.
Dave pretty much uses the same template messages to send to every woman, and has different templates for each situation. So there's one you can use for the initial message, one for if she doesn't reply back, and a few others.
But what he does is pick one thing out from the girl's profile and includes that in the message, so it looks like it has been specifically written for her. I would have liked to have seen a few more examples of opening messages for the sake of variety, as well as giving you more options.
There isn't really any customization of the type of message to suit different types of women, rather it's more of a one size fits all approach. Something that is really impressive about Click Magnet Dating is that they have tracked their data and show you how different styles get better responses from women depending on their age range and what they might be looking for.
The initial message template is probably better than the average message most men would send out, but it's not the best example I've seen either. It's based on a template message that was made popular by David DeAngelo, and has likely been used by thousands and thousands of people now.
One of the things that Dave writes in the message is about how funny he is, as women love a guy with a sense of humor. But as he points out earlier in the product, you are better off showing a woman something than telling her. He uses the example of how a rich man doesn't need to go around telling everyone how rich he is. Similarly, your focus should be on conveying the fact that you are a funny guy and let her come to that conclusion herself.
The truth is that Dave is a good looking guy and has got his life together. The photos that he has on his profile have all been rated as at least a nine out of ten on the site he posted them on. It doesn't mean you have to be a good looking guy to get great results online, but if you are then most girls will afford you a certain amount of leeway when it comes to your messages.
As an example, one thing that Dave does is suggest meeting up for coffee or drinks in his very first message. Some girls will make the decision right away that they want to meet him based on his photos, so it won't hurt him. But for guys who aren't as good looking, it's a better idea to just focus on getting a response first so that you have a chance to display your personality before asking her out.
Dave spends a fair amount of time covering phone game, such as the best time to call and how long your calls should last. The biggest problem with this section though is that it doesn't include any information on texting. So a lot of the advice here isn't as relevant anymore, especially if you're dealing with younger women, who much prefer texting than calling.
If you do end up calling though, I think most of the advice here is pretty good. The one thing that stood out as being bad information was that you should wait four to six days before calling a woman after the first date. This is taking the idea that you should be a challenge and going too far with it, as a lot of girls will simply think you aren't interested.
He says it is based on interviews he has done with around 1000 women over the course of a few years, but it is based around game-playing and trying to make women think you aren't that interested. He has a point though in that you don't want to call straight away as it can make you seem needy to women.
This is an example of where texting is really useful, as you can send a casual text the next day letting her know you had a fun time and it's a very low investment way to keep in touch with her.
Going On DatesThe topic of first dates is covered in some detail as well. It follows along the same theme that you're a busy, high value guy so you'll be setting dates that reflect this. Pretty much this means you won't be doing the standard first date of dinner and a movie that many guys use as a default. The options that Dave suggests are pretty much a given in the dating community, so the information isn't anything new.
He gives a good overview of the character traits you want to show to women, but not a lot of detail on how to do them. The main thing he emphasizes is the importance of being funny, but with no real direction on how you can be more funny. His suggestion of buying a joke book is pretty poor, as reciting a bunch of jokes isn't the kind of humor that leads to attracting women.
But there is better information when it comes to the area of getting physical. He teaches you how to set the right tone from the start of the date by selecting the right venue so that you can be closer to the girl, how to hold her hand and how to get the first kiss. As well as the advice on 'multi-dates/mini-dates' this is all pretty solid information.
The other thing he goes into is indicators to watch out for that a woman might be interested. These are the typical things you see in body language books and products, and often sound better in theory than they work in practice. For example, checking to see how big a woman's pupils are to determine how interested she is, isn't that easy to do and generally not worth worrying about. For a lot of beginners, there is the risk of interpreting every little thing a woman does as a sign that she isn't interested and can create a negative feedback loop.
Another bit of advice that was made popular by David DeAngelo and is mentioned here is not to smile too much when on the date. The idea behind it is you don't want to appear to needy, and that you'll be conveying that she needs to work for your approval. There are dating coaches who teach this, and those who teach that men need to smile a lot more, and there is no right or wrong way.
The important thing is that you're being congruent, and behaving in a way that fits your personality. It's not really correct to give everybody the same blanket advice, as if to say 'this is the right way of doing things'. Some of the best guys I know with women are smiling all the time, so focus on what feels natural for you.
Outdated InformationThe main issue with this product is just how dated it is. Especially as technology is advancing at such a fast rate, the online dating world is constantly in flux. One of the sites that Dave talks about is Yahoo Personals, which doesn't actually exist anymore.
The main site that Dave navigates you through is Match.com, but which has been comprehensively upgraded since this product was created. The other main sites that are popular these days aren't mentioned at all, as they likely didn't exist back then.
You'll also see a tip which is that you have to include a sneaky way of including your email address at the end of the message so that women can message you back. The reason for this is that the site would block messages that included direct contact information, and people couldn't reply to your messages unless they paid to become premium members.
This was good advice when it was written, but is terrible advice if followed today. The way online dating sites are generally set up now, women can respond to any messages you send them. By including your email address, you actually look like you are a spammer phishing for email addresses, and you have a lower chance of getting a reply, and a higher chance of getting your profile deleted.
It's okay to exchange contact information after a couple of messages, but if you send it out unsolicited it can be seen as a potential red flag by the women you're messaging and by the site itself. You're also giving women the impression that you're happy to send your contact details out to just anyone, and she hasn't had to do anything to earn it.
The Bottom LineThis was one of the first products that covered online dating, and has been on the market since 2005. No doubt it was more relevant when it was first released, but now it feels really dated. It mentions a number of online dating sites that are no longer popular, and has no mention of most of the sites that are in use today.
Gives you a general overview of the type of attitude you want to convey when talking to women online, as well as some examples of template messages you can send out. Most of the ideas are based on the teachings of David DeAngelo. Overall this product is somewhat limited compared to others on the market.
If you're new to online dating and looking for a great place to start, we recommend you check out Click Magnet Dating. If you want something that gets a little more advanced, then The Gentlemen's Guide To Online Dating is a solid resource.
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Insider Internet Dating teaches you how to meet women online through a step-by-step sequence of carefully structured audio and video lessons, giving you the freedom to learn how to meet women online at your own pace. You learn comfortably without feeling pressured or overwhelmed.
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Table of Contents/ List of Topics Covered:
* Why you need a big shift in thinking in the way you must talk to a woman whose phone number you have gotten online vs. a woman who's phone number you have gotten in person (This is where most guys mess it up)
* The "5 C's of dating" - Know these and you can assure yourself of being the man she REALLY desires
* The places you must AVOID taking a woman to on a first date (Plus you'll end up saving a ton of cash)
* A secret "naturals" use to draw women to them like a MAGNET than any "regular" guy can learn in 3 minutes
* How to recognize (and what to do about) “Serial Daters” who will never, ever let the curtain go up
* The amazing "Gigallo Syndrome" - A secret you can use to make yourself ULTRA-DESIRABLE to each and every woman you meet with little to no effort on your part
* A quickie “Idiot’s Guide” to female psychology! (Instantly understand exactly what makes these women tick... and learn why they're using the internet to meet men.)
* The fastest, easiest way I've discovered to creating attraction QUICKLY with a woman I just met
* Learn how to "Flip the tables" Use this technique and you'll have women trying to impress YOU
* Two magic little phrases that will make you virtually immune to the women that test you... and how using them at the right time will IGNITE her attraction towards you almost immediately
* How online success is deeply connected to farting...seriously, this subtle shift in thinking will take you 1 minute and when you get it, you're going to kick yourself in the rear end for not knowing this sooner
* The very critical difference between Attraction and Attractive. You may the person sabotaging your own dating life
* Why you can almost always meet HIGHER quality women online than in a bar, nightclub, or anywhere else... when you know THIS secret
* Why SHY guys have an ADVANTAGE over other men when it comes to online dating (It goes against what most "gurus" will tell you)
* Why meeting women online is FAR easier than meeting them at a bar, coffee shop, or anywhere else
* A well-known trick... commonly thought to be a MISTAKE... that is actually one of the most EFFECTIVE ways to meet women online
* How to turn any past "odd" experiences she has had with the personals a good thing that makes her want to meet you more (You'll run into this one a lot as you get good at meeting women online... and now you'll be ready)
* A proven (and easy) way to "screen" a woman and make sure she is attractive BEFORE you meet her so you don't end up disappointed
* The "Mental Attitude" and makeup of a guy that's desirable, one she'll be attracted to (It's so important I spent over 25 min just on this topic)
* A subtle "System to gauge her attraction and interest level" while you're out with her and how using it will actually help you get physical with her... quick
* Holding her hand is the 1st step in getting physical... but most guys are too aggressive and screw this step up... I'll teach you a very 'subtle' way to hold her hand, one that takes all the pressure off you
* A proven way to amp up a girls sexual attraction towards you right before you kiss her. (This REALLY drives them crazy)
* How to get a woman you meet online to feel comfortable enough to have you over to her place the first time you meet
* The one thing you should NEVER, ever, ever do when you're on a date (doing this will help you getting another date)
What You Get:
- The Insider Internet Dating Multimedia CD-Rom over 2 hours
- The Insider Internet Dating Blueprint
- Customer Only Audio.Video
- Bonus #1: "How To Get 2 FREE Months On My Favorite
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"You'll Do Better without This..."
December 19, 2012
DeAngelo reads some real profiles of men, and points out where they went horribly wrong... to the laughter of the seminar audience.
David M.'s profile is almost as bland/pisspoor as the ones DeAngelo chose to exhibit in his "Horrible Profile's" section.
I hate to mention this, but any success David M. has achieved could easily be attributed to the combination of his looks and massive action--not technique (he's an inch shy of 6 feet tall, has deep blue eyes, is not overweight, has all his hair, and dresses well).
This is a message that David M. took 10 minutes to type, after NOT reading her profile. The message LOOKS almost like it's a scammer or bot or phishing message (partly because of the misspellings. Notice that it's about 90% desperate, average chump, and 10% David Deangelo or standard PUA lines---there's nothing funny in it though he overtly tells her he's funny. That's TEXTBOOK AFC. There's the "you must get 500 messages" joke, but she gets that non-joke in her inbox every day from desperate, insecure guys).
Here is David M. crafting his first message to a woman (grammar and spelling intact)...
Here's his message:
There was something about your profile that caught my attention, i'm not sure what it was but i'd like to find out.
I'm willing to be you a donut that you're getting about 500 emails a day from 75 year old men offering to be your sugar daddy....
i'm not one to talk about myself, but i'll say this: i'm 30, attractive, and artist, and i'm funny....really funny. so be ready.
Worst case? you eem like you might make a cool friend, so let's get together for a drink or coffee.....
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