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Revelation

Dating Company: Venusian Arts

Dating Coach(es): Lovedrop (Chris Odom)Matador (Stan Tayi)Mystery (Erik von Markovik)

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A Comprehensive Manual to Pick Up Artistry (Mystery's Upgraded Method)

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THE GOOD

Comprehensive description of pick up artistry, extremely effective with high quality women, very clear description of the social matrix (allowing you to understand clearly social interactions), simple and healthy mindsets to help you act naturally, anti-dote to unnatural pick up or dating behaviors you may have developed

THE BAD

Could be overwhelming for newbies/ beginners and scare them off/ demotivate them, difficult to implement because of sophistication - takes perseverance


THE BOTTOM LINE

If you are ambitious in your aspirations of the quality (beauty) of girls you want in your life, or in building your skillset to work in bars and clubs, this book provides comprehensive advice on how to get there.

X-users of the original Mystery Method that haven't got the results out of it will find it helps you to correct the major mistakes you will have been making.

Has a slight edge over Magic Bullets thanks to a more rounded approach to pick-up artistry.

DETAILED REVIEW
This book was a surprise to me. I expected simply an upgraded version of The Mystery Method, but this is a lot more.

If you don't know who Mystery (Erik von Markovik) is, you should first check out our profile of him here.

Revelation is the Most Comprehensive Description of Pick Up Technology to Date
Revelation has been extended beyond Mystery's original Mystery Method (MM) for picking up women to ensure that it is more comprehensive.

The original Mystery Method (MM) included: The M3 structured model, Group theory, Gambits and a Methodology for practicing in field (actually just a few principles).

Revelation adds to this the following:

- The Zen of Cool: The most fluid and easily understood explanation of how good inner game comes across that I have ever read.

- Delivery of Material and Lines: Lots of subtleties pointed out that held people back from implementing the original Mystery Method.

- Making Conversation: Same as above, lots of subtleties described well to help people to understand their importance and how to make this pick up approach really work.

Integration of Some of the Best Seduction Community Material to Upgrade Mystery Method (i.e. the M3 Model)
Revelation integrates many essential concepts that have grown up out of the community over time into Mystery Method, thereby making something much much more effective. It is done very well, and details from concepts taken from elsewhere flow throughout the book seamlessly, interwoven with Mystery’s concepts perfectly. Some of these include: Attainability/ appreciation from Sebastian of The Approach, reactivity, secret society and AMOG concepts from Real Social Dynamics, vibing concepts that surfaced in the community during 2006, ‘entourage’ from AFC Adam (Adam Lyons) and company circa 2007 and many more.

I was most impressed to see the integration of some aspects of the game that I’ve found important, subtleties that I’ve integrated over the years, but that have been less talked about outside of the older hands of the community who keep more to themselves.

Inclusion of Healthy Relationship/ Lifestyle Fundamentals Previously Underemphasized by Dating Advice Products
“Any display of good manners or discretion will trigger attraction in women.”

I’ve never seen this written before and was impressed. It goes against a lot of the seduction community ’dogma’ that has unfortunately arisen over the years, and has been detrimental to the development of many students.

The book places important emphasis on “Healthy emotional programming – sincerity, kindness, ambition, industriousness, love and commitment, protector of love ones etc.” This is an innovative way to explain and convey important character traits that you should be taking on and why. Great stuff again.

The last chapter's review of plausible deniability, social norms and ASD is the best well rounded explanation I have seen anywhere of how to pull your game together fully. It will be very useful for anyone from beginners to advanced.

This Product’s Weakness?
My fear is that the wealth of information may be overwhelming for beginners. This is not through fault of good explanation, but more through the sheer overwhelming amount of content that is contained within this product. Mystery’s Method has always been the most complex, and this, while making it more accessible and simple on some levels, remains complex due to its sheer comprehensivity.

Some of the concepts may be difficult for newbies and beginners to understand. It is extremely comprehensive. And some of the concepts get less attention from others. Explanations should have been improved on some of the discussion of plausible deniability, serendipity and baiting with more examples for instance. For beginners or those who have studied less, these concepts will be difficult to implement due to lack of understanding.

Comparison with Magic Bullets of Love Systems
Magic Bullets is the competing product from Love Systems which is very similar in its base content. Where the two differ, is that Revelation has attempted to include more content from the softer side (e.g. Inner game) into its method. Whilst Magic Bullets remains technical, but has expanded further the original MM to handle more contexts/ situations and approaches.

This product has a slight edge over Magic Bullets, thanks to integrating a wider range of perspectives on the art of pick up (e.g. plausible deniability and inner game concepts). It also maintains an 'arty' feel to it, which is Mystery's style. If you like to learn through more general concepts as opposed to technical/ detail orientated rules, you are likely to find this product better suited to your learning style than Magic Bullets.

The Bottom Line
This product may seem a little pricy at just under 100 dollars for an eBook, but in content terms it isn't. It is the most comprehensive look at the art of pick up, approaching and attracting women that exists to date, weighing in at over 300 pages. So you get a lot of content for that money compared to other products.

No matter what your level, if you are ambitious in your aspirations of the girls you want in your life, this would be the top most product that I would recommend you to read. It contains information on everything you will ever need and will give you a clear understanding of social interactions so you see them on a completely new level.

For people in the seduction community for a while who haven’t been getting the results they want, perhaps through attempting to implement MM, I would also recommend this, because of how it takes old concepts and ‘naturalizes’ them, which for many students who have not learned well – this will enable you to see where you have been going wrong.

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Product Information

Dating Skillset:
Approaching WomenAttracting Women
Dating Company:
Venusian Arts
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Experience Level(s):
Intermediate•Advanced
Dating Coach/ Author:
Lovedrop (Chris Odom)Matador (Stan Tayi)Mystery (Erik von Markovik)

Learning Format:
eBook
$97.00
Release / Launch Date:
June 06, 2008


Summary:
A program that reveals practical emphasis on vibe, delivery, humor, microcalibration, and value switches that could assist you in capturing the attention of women.

The manual is a more recent publication that has its origins traced in the original Mystery Method Corporation eBook (The Venusian Arts Handbook), which Mystery Method Corporation formerly published before Mystery left and it changed its company name to Love Systems.

Table of Contents/ List of Topics Covered:
- Survival and replication value
- The 5 primary emotions you must instill in a woman
- How to set the vibe in your house
- The 8 visual clues, 6 behavioral clues, and 4 social cues that every woman is biologically programmed to screen for
- The 6 elements of connection
- How to confide in her
- The Mystery Classic Newbie Drill
- Building your avatar
- The 4 tribal leader characteristics her subconscious is always qualifying men for
- How the Roll-off is like a neg without words
- The 9 approach guidelines to get you into the set
- How she'll test you to see if you're the real deal
- 5 steps to add value and take the dominant role
- 5 step-by-step instructions to creating your own storylines
- The 11 waypoints of group theory
- The 5 common sticking points of isolation


What You Get:
An eBook


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60-day return policy to get full refund


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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful

It's An Excellent Book from What I've Read So Far!

Would You Recommend It? Yes
I have to say, I've been in the community a long time.... Since 2004 and this is by far the best all round reference book released to date... I can't wait to get my hands on the printed copy.... Hate reading off the PC!!! If the DVD's & CD's are as much as an improvement, then VA are way back in the game.... Reading it reminded me a lot of the bootcamp I took in 96. What was lacking in the book previously, seems to be there now... Weird thing is, I did a search for kiss and did not find a single mention.. lol... Possibly didn't search everything in the pdf, but I did find that bizarre.... kissing lol........ Anyway, more importantly... it's an excellent book from what I've read so far!


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Hands down - "Revelation" is a great book.

Would You Recommend It? Yes
Hands down - "Revelation" is a great book. I would recommend it to everyone who's searching for a complete guide to improve your game with women. Lovedrop did a great job putting all the stuff together. The book is easy to understand and full of examples. The ghost & the flame concept is great...Lovedrop's style is writing is straight to the point - that's by the way why I didn't like Matador's chapter "The way of being" that much - although there are some good points, I didn't like the brief explanations of concepts like "Good manners", "Good Listener" etc. - all suggestions like "you must be this, you must be that" without any examples... The "disinterest" chapter is great, with many examples, so is "sound bites" and "Women explained" by Hitori and the AMOG-chapter. Final note: 300 pages full of great advice. The book is more than worth the money. In contrast to other guides that focus on theory too much, "Revelation" has examples that you can use in field and that really work.


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It Deserves the Praise

Would You Recommend It? Yes
I don't know about the audio/video stuff, but their Revelation book is GOLD. It costs $97, but I really have to say, it was definitely worth it. I hear that the rest of their stuff is rehash (so dont buy the audio and video IMO), but you NEED to check the book out. Sorry if I sound like I work for them or something, but really. It completely deserves the praise.
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Full of useful Insight

Would You Recommend It? Yes
I am so lucky to have read this book. I am a huge fan of the movement. So i had read The Mystery Method then Magic Bullets soon after i became a fanatic of Mystery's VH1 series. I am far from a master but far from a beginner. With that said, this book, blows anything i have read or seen out of the water. It digs deep down to make things click, and hits every area with intensity. It covers everything! Matadors "Zen of Cool" in addition to Lovedrops nuggets of knowledge about humor and persona are priceless. They take the game to a new level and tackle everything in a easy way to understand and read. This book is full of useufll insight more than usefull examples, however it does include usefull examples! This book, from my perspective, aimed to reach people on a different level, it aimed to teach you how to develop inner game. It aimed to show you that the game is not a formula for getting girls, rather a formula for getting the life you want. I am so inspired and gratefull, words cannot adequatly express my appreciation in words. So, THANK YOU!!!


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My Inner Game Boosted Out Crazy.

Would You Recommend It? Yes
I felt like way better as soon as I downloaded the book, just because of the expectations I had from the book. It's psychological you know. It's not like you know any of the book but my inner game boosted out crazy. I tell you I went all crazy as soon as I read that little page about "Social Superpowers", was that page 3? I just went out of the house and did lots of incredible things, just smashed through all my fears. But it was my mind mostly that did the trick. And Mystery, Matador and Lovedrop's book is presented in such a way as to stimulate such reactions. As soon as I saw the design of the book I thought "OMG, this looks more like a Dungeons and Dragons Guide, and I rememberd reading about Mystery being a pre-PUA D&D nerd or something. So I thought gee, to him all this is just like a videogame, it's like, when you play on your computer, yeah you do get a lot of emotions, but you don't actually feel anxiety when some "in-game social situation" is aukward. I just don't care, you don't react to NPCs the way you react to live people. I thought of this as the right mindset, a mind set of.. curiosity, in a place, the world, you need to explore, find out it's secrets, and tricks to win the game. Like a detached observator. This was huge and I had only read like 3 pages. For real! Oh, and the best parts are about The Zen Of cool, kino Plowing, understanding ASD, sound bites, microcalibration and the article written by the asian girl(what was the name?H...). Comes to think every piece of it was just as inspiring.. let me think.. The Way Of Being by Matador? HUGE!


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Hummer34
Re:Revelation
Jul 26 2010 07:32:48
I first heard about Mystery Method, and that book, but now I understand from the review that this is a later revision of Mystery's Method with additional material. But has it changed the basics? I have the Mystery Method book, so wondering if I really need to get this. Thanks.
#42
Re:Revelation
Jul 27 2010 10:36:36
is the MM working for you? The MM was difficult for me. I have the MM on cd. I also have Revelation ebook. I haven't finished the ebook, yet. I can let you know. [DSR Editor - inappropriate content deleted]. From what i've read and seen so far, it's more Chris Odom than Mystery. Chris is even a better teacher than Erik and Matador. IMHO Loverdrop is the best trainer in the world. Does this answer your question ?
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Hummer34
Re:Revelation
Aug 03 2010 04:05:34
j wrote:
is the MM working for you? The MM was difficult for me. I have the MM on cd. I also have Revelation ebook. You can watch the dvd's on Youtube, every helpful. I haven't finished the ebook, yet. I can let you know. There are all the Revelation videos on youtube.com. From what i've read and seen so far, it's more Chris Odom than Mystery. Chris is even a better teacher than Erik and Matador. IMHO Loverdrop is the best trainer in the world. Does this answer your question ?

Yeah, it has been difficult for me too. There are too many details and it's a bit technical for me. I can't connect it to what happens when I go out.

You haven't really answered my question though... I want to know if Revelation has advice in it that is different to Mystery Method... so would I be trying to do things wrong, or the old way, if I keep using MM. And don't get Revelation?
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Re:Revelation
Aug 12 2010 08:34:58
Hi Hummer,

To answer your question: Yes, it does have advice that isn't in Mystery Method.

Many students found the original Mystery Method difficult to implement due to its complexity - especially if they were just studying from books and didn't do a bootcamp.

It wasn't that it was 'bad' material, more that it was missing information that would help students to understand it better.

Revelation goes a long way to closing that gap, with new material and information that helps to address the areas students were not getting right due to lack of information.

If you're serious about getting better and using Mystery's approach, you should get Revelation - it will save you wasting a lot of time and also save you a lot of frustration implementing the advice.

We advise people not to buy the original Venusian Arts Handbook or Mystery Method books, and get Revelation for this reason.
#77
Re:Revelation
Aug 12 2010 18:27:30
I'm glad I found this topic because I was wondering the same thing. I read a few chapters of what I think was the original mystery method. It made a lot of sense to me, but some things didn't sit well with me too. Now I think I'll just buy the Revelations book instead of wasting my time with the older one. I see it's the number one product here so that's cool. I've heard some good things about it elsewhere too.
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