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Dating Company: Venusian Arts

Dating Coach(es): Lovedrop (Chris Odom)Matador (Stan Tayi)Mystery (Erik von Markovik)

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Mystery's Latest Upgrade of his Method - a Comprehensive Manual to Pick Up Artistry

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THE GOOD

Comprehensive description of pick up artistry, extremely effective with high quality women, very clear description of the social matrix (allowing you to understand clearly social interactions), simple and healthy mindsets to help you act naturally, anti-dote to unnatural pick up or dating behaviors you may have developed

THE BAD

Could be overwhelming for newbies/ beginners and scare them off/ demotivate them, difficult to implement because of sophistication - takes perseverance


THE BOTTOM LINE

If you are ambitious in your aspirations of the quality of girls you want in your life, or in building your skillset to work in bars and clubs, this book provides comprehensive advice on how to get there.

X-users of the original Mystery Method that haven't got the results out of it will find it helps you to correct the major mistakes you will have been making.

Has a slight edge over Magic Bullets thanks to a more rounded approach to pick-up artistry.

DETAILED REVIEW
This book was a surprise to me. I expected simply an upgraded version of The Mystery Method, but this is a lot more.
Revelation is the Most Comprehensive Description of Pick Up Technology to Date
Revelation has been extended beyond the original Mystery Method (MM) to ensure that it is more comprehensive.

The original Mystery Method (MM) included: The M3 structured model, Group theory, Gambits and a Methodology for practicing in field (actually just a few principles).

Revelation adds to this the following:

- The Zen of Cool: The most fluid and easily understood explanation of how good inner game comes across that I have ever read.

- Delivery of Material and Lines: Lots of subtleties pointed out that held people back from implementing the original Mystery Method.

- Making Conversation: Same as above, lots of subtleties described well to help people to understand their importance and how to make this pick up approach really work.

Integration of Some of the Best Seduction Community Material to Upgrade Mystery Method (i.e. the M3 Model)
Revelation integrates many essential concepts that have grown up out of the community over time into Mystery Method, thereby making something much much more effective. It is done very well, and details from concepts taken from elsewhere flow throughout the book seamlessly, interwoven with Mystery’s concepts perfectly. Some of these include: Attainability/ appreciation from Sebastian of The Approach, reactivity, secret society and AMOG concepts from Real Social Dynamics, vibing concepts that surfaced in the community during 2006, ‘entourage’ from AFC Adam (Adam Lyons) and company circa 2007 and many more.

I was most impressed to see the integration of some aspects of the game that I’ve found important, subtleties that I’ve integrated over the years, but that have been less talked about outside of the older hands of the community who keep more to themselves.

Inclusion of Healthy Relationship/ Lifestyle Fundamentals Previously Underemphasized by Dating Advice Products
“Any display of good manners or discretion will trigger attraction in women.”

I’ve never seen this written before and was impressed. It goes against a lot of the seduction community ’dogma’ that has unfortunately arisen over the years, and has been detrimental to the development of many students.

The book places important emphasis on “Healthy emotional programming – sincerity, kindness, ambition, industriousness, love and commitment, protector of love ones etc.” This is an innovative way to explain and convey important character traits that you should be taking on and why. Great stuff again.

The last chapter's review of plausible deniability, social norms and ASD is the best well rounded explanation I have seen anywhere of how to pull your game together fully. It will be very useful for anyone from beginners to advanced.

This Product’s Weakness?
My fear is that the wealth of information may be overwhelming for beginners. This is not through fault of good explanation, but more through the sheer overwhelming amount of content that is contained within this product. Mystery’s Method has always been the most complex, and this, while making it more accessible and simple on some levels, remains complex due to its sheer comprehensivity.

Some of the concepts may be difficult for newbies and beginners to understand. It is extremely comprehensive. And some of the concepts get less attention from others. Explanations should have been improved on some of the discussion of plausible deniability, serendipity and baiting with more examples for instance. For beginners or those who have studied less, these concepts will be difficult to implement due to lack of understanding.

Comparison with Magic Bullets of Love Systems
Magic Bullets is the competing product from Love Systems which is very similar in its base content. Where the two differ, is that Revelation has attempted to include more content from the softer side (e.g. Inner game) into its method. Whilst Magic Bullets remains technical, but has expanded further the original MM to handle more contexts/ situations and approaches.

This product has a slight edge over Magic Bullets, thanks to integrating a wider range of perspectives on the art of pick up (e.g. plausible deniability and inner game concepts). It also maintains an 'arty' feel to it, which is Mystery's style. If you like to learn through more general concepts as opposed to technical/ detail orientated rules, you are likely to find this product better suited to your learning style than Magic Bullets.

The Bottom Line
This product may seem a little pricy at just under 100 dollars for an eBook, but in content terms it isn't. It is the most comprehensive look at the art of pick up, approaching and attracting women that exists to date, weighing in at over 300 pages. So you get a lot of content for that money compared to other products.

No matter what your level, if you are ambitious in your aspirations of the girls you want in your life, this would be the top most product that I would recommend you to read. It contains information on everything you will ever need and will give you a clear understanding of social interactions so you see them on a completely new level.

For people in the seduction community for a while who haven’t been getting the results they want, perhaps through attempting to implement MM, I would also recommend this, because of how it takes old concepts and ‘naturalizes’ them, which for many students who have not learned well – this will enable you to see where you have been going wrong.

 
 
 
 

Product Information

Dating Skillset:
Approaching WomenAttracting Women
Dating Company:
Venusian Arts
Experience Level(s):
Intermediate•Advanced
Dating Coach/ Author:
Lovedrop (Chris Odom)Matador (Stan Tayi)Mystery (Erik von Markovik)
Learning Format:
Dating Advice Products (DVD, CD, eBook, Book) - eBook
$97.00
Release / Launch Date:
January 01, 2008


Summary:
A program that reveals practical emphasis on vibe, delivery, humor, microcalibration, and value switches that could assist you in capturing the attention of women. The manual is a more recent publication that has its origins traced in the original Mystery Method Corporation eBook The Venusian Arts Handbook), which Mystery Method Corporation formerly published before Mystery left and it changed its company name to Love Systems.

Table of Contents/ List of Topics Covered:
- Survival and replication value
- The 5 primary emotions you must instill in a woman
- How to set the vibe in your house
- The 8 visual clues, 6 behavioral clues, and 4 social cues that every woman is biologically programmed to screen for
- The 6 elements of connection
- How to confide in her
- The Mystery Classic Newbie Drill
- Building your avatar
- The 4 tribal leader characteristics her subconscious is always qualifying men for
- How the Roll-off is like a neg without words
- The 9 approach guidelines to get you into the set
- How she'll test you to see if you're the real deal
- 5 steps to add value and take the dominant role
- 5 step-by-step instructions to creating your own storylines
- The 11 waypoints of group theory
- The 5 common sticking points of isolation


What You Get:
An eBook


Guarantee / Terms:
60-day return policy to get full refund


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There's so much Information on There It's Insane

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Revelation kicks [a**]. There's so much information on there it's insane. I really like how it's set up to be a reference book so where you can just turn the page to whatever you want to read and you didn't have to ready all of the preceding chapters. Great work VA!


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Reviewed by ENZO57
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LD's teached So Many Aspects of Inner Game

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For me, by far , the most interesting videos where the ones with him, he teached so many aspects of inner game, kinda like RSD blueprint summarised in 20 mins (well not really , not that deep, but really usefull) , his teachings of vibe giving , don't caring about the outcome , be the social guy not the thoug lonely guy and the "high value people don't punish" , where for me the most interesting part in the dvd's


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Reviewed by SirReal
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Changed my Life Really.

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Changed my life really.


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This Stuff is Amazing!

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This stuff is amazing. All three of them are awesome teachers. I liked the book the best, because that's they way I learn. The DVDs are great though. They all have their weaknesses and strengths, and it seems to be that on the videos they each threw their strengths out there. To me, it doesn't make sense that Mystery would be explaining the cold approach techniques... I don't think he cold approaches anymore. He's a celebrity now. That's what his teachings focused on, in my opinion. Then there is LD, he's an amazing teacher. Seems to me he's at the level where he's a Master PUA, but still relates to the guys starting out. So he's the best for teaching the starting routines, body language, etc. And Matador... that guy cracks me up. I'd love to see more from him. His stuff is what inspires me to go out of my comfort levels. This stuff about everything being posted on YouTube, getting pirated versions from torrent sites... you can make that comment about pretty much every movie, album, software or ebook. It has nothing to do with the quality of the material.


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Hands down - "Revelation" is a great book.

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Hands down - "Revelation" is a great book. I would recommend it to everyone who's searching for a complete guide to improve your game with women. Lovedrop did a great job putting all the stuff together. The book is easy to understand and full of examples. The ghost & the flame concept is great...Lovedrop's style is writing is straight to the point - that's by the way why I didn't like Matador's chapter "The way of being" that much - although there are some good points, I didn't like the brief explanations of concepts like "Good manners", "Good Listener" etc. - all suggestions like "you must be this, you must be that" without any examples... The "disinterest" chapter is great, with many examples, so is "sound bites" and "Women explained" by Hitori and the AMOG-chapter. Final note: 300 pages full of great advice. The book is more than worth the money. In contrast to other guides that focus on theory too much, "Revelation" has examples that you can use in field and that really work.


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