The Good: Provides solid foundation of knowledge to start from for traditional exclusive girlfriend-boyfriend relationships, good summary of some of most useful relationship management ideas from the 'seduction community'
The Bad: Little insight into making relationships a positive addition to your life e.g. building the value of a relationship through deepening it and improving its quality, limited content on relationships beyond traditional relationship model (e.g. multiple relationships etc.)
The Bottom Line:For someone new to dating advice with little understanding of the principles of relationship management this product will provide a solid foundation to start from and help you to avoid the biggest mistakes.
It does a good job of summarizing a lot of the 'pick up artist community' knowledge on the subject as it relates to 'traditional exclusive girlfriend-boyfriend relationships'.
DETAILED REVIEW
The product contains comprehensive knowledge on 'avoiding errors' in relationships through its general principles and more specific examples throughout the product. This is very valuable for beginners, with either little relationship experience or who have not learned the lessons from those relationships, or for those who now have relationships with more attractive women and are finding themselves in more challenging situations they don't know how to deal with (Note: this is very common).
If you have been studying dating advice for a while the knowledge will be less useful to you because you will have seen a lot of it before. Nonetheless, most people will get some 'golden nuggets' to add to their skillset from this product.
Some content is a little too abstract without obvious practical application, but the majority is well defined with, the author Savoy, giving many examples and stories making it easy to clearly understand the concepts. The product would have been improved with more 'practical techniques' to use in different situations.
Good Traditional Relationship Advice, Not So Great on Multiple Relationships
The content is strongest where Savoy discusses 'traditional relationships' (i.e. exclusive girlfriends). The advice is good and straightforward on these.
It becomes weaker where he starts to talk about multiple /more complex relationships. Personally, I disagree with some of the limitations Savoy presents on multiple relationship management (based on the experiences of myself and many other top dating masters I know). This product stays pretty general, not getting into specifics on these topics, and sometimes the advice is misleading or actually wrong.
Aggregator of Community Wisdom
Overall, the information in this product represents an aggregation of the information that has been developed in the 'pick up artist community' over the many years since its beginnings. So if you have participated in the community for a number of years and are reasonably connected you should know most of it already.
Having said that, this product has value. It does a good job of aggregating the good quality community knowledge into one of the first products on the 'relationship management' topic.
Savoy brings some additional innovations in terms of the integration of some love systems concepts (e.g. embedding, emotional progression model) with the material. This is also useful, particularly for students of Love Systems who already use these concepts, as it will make implementation easier.
Unhealthy Overly-Controlling Frame
If you are looking to take your relationship skills to a level where you are building healthy strong relationships with women there are some minor issues with this product.
"Other guys shouldn't be talking with your girl unless you are part of that conversation." Savoy (Paraphrased)
This is a quote talking about guys talking to your girl in a club from the DVD.
It is not what I'd call a healthy long term mindset, which will set a good foundation for relationships with women. It will actually do the opposite, setting you into an overly controlling relationship, which will create drama, conflict and eventually the demise of your relationship.
This mindset comes through a little throughout the product - here I've taken the most explicit quote to point it out clearly to you.
This is not a way I would want to live - or recommend you live. There are much better 'relationship healthy' approaches to dealing with other men interested in 'stealing' your girl that are effective.
The Bottom Line
A professional good value product for men who have little to no relationships skills and are relatively inexperienced in relationships (or just not very good at it). This is pretty good value for money if you are in this situation.
However, it is expensive if you are already pretty experienced and want to learn about more complex relationship situations (e.g. multiple relationships).
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Summary: This product is put together from private seminars that Nick Savoy gave to students talking about his approach to developing and managing relationships with women.
Table of Contents/ List of Topics Covered:
Chapter 1: Foundations
Chapter 2: Types of relationships
Chapter 3: General relationship management principles
Chapter 4: High commitment relationships
Chapter 5: Medium commitment relationships
Chapter 6: Low commitment relationships
Chapter 7: Changing the relationship
Chapter 8: Infidelity
Chapter 9: Bonus Q&A
What You Get:
3 DVDs.
Guarantee / Terms: 100% money back guarantee if dissatisfied with product and return.
The DVDs are wonderful not only because they feel the empty niche of "dating and relationships" in pick up but because they do it so well. Speaking as a man who loves commitment, a guy who want's more out of a girl then just to sleep with her and never see her again these DVDs allow me a better look into the world of relationships and what to do after you have the girl. Watching the DVDs and taking notes have given me much greater freedom in knowing what I want and how to get it while also making me question why I want one type of relationship over another. If you're a PUA who wants multiple relationships, monogamy or even if you have a girl and want to know how to keep her happy and loyal then these DVDs are for you.
Overall, I Would Give This Product My Unreserved Recommendation!
The Bottom Line
buy
I got the DVDs in the mail last Saturday and I literally watched them non-stop glued to every minute.
The foundations were helpful and the three rules of relationships are great guides. Next came an overview of the different types of relationships followed by general prinicpals that apply to all relationships (I would list them but I am unsure how much detail I can provide). Savoy then goes into each type of relationship in detail and provides very sound advice in each case. I myself am on the verge of a traditional relationship so I was particularly glued to this part and I found some pretty useful information there. I would have liked a bit more information on the traditional relationship because I did know some of the rules Savoy outlined from Magic Bullets and the Friends with Benefits interview. But this part was supplemented later with some interesting stuff.
After the types of relationships comes a section on how to change relationship types which was very insightful. One of my favorite parts was next: the model of predicting infidelity. This part was pure genius and I got a lot of great information here. A subheading of this came up when Savoy gave advice what to do when a guy starts flirting with your girlfriend and it was not what I expected. I have definitely addressed this issue incorrectly in the past and I was writing FURIOUSLY during this part.
After each section was a Q & A and for the most part these were helpful as well. The bonus Q & A disc was a mixed bag in my opinion. Granted, it was a bonus, but some of the questions seemed not useful to me. Maybe for others they would prove useful.
Overall, I would give this product my unreserved recommendation! The video is well produced, professional, and full of great advice. It is definitely the essential relationship guide and I am sure I will consult it frequently in the future.
Although it wasn’t flawless, the experience was worth it.
The Good
While I enjoyed the seminar as a whole, there were a couple things that stood out. First, Savoy emphasized the importance of differentiating between pickup and relationships.
Second, the discussion portion was crucial to my experience because the sheer volume of information presented inspired many questions that I found useful to hear answered, but wouldn’t have thought to ask.
Third, I had the opportunity to meet a number of great guys that, despite their differences, have a lot in common and a lot of wisdom to offer. I hope to keep in touch with many of them.
The Bad
The casual style of Savoy’s presentation allowed seemed to invite a lot of questions, which interrupted the flow of the seminar and seemed to distract from the overall quality. I myself am guilty of being over-eager to get answers. Perhaps with future seminars, attendees can be invited to come prepared with questions to ask during the round-table. Also, for questions that come up during the presentation, it might be more effective to have people write them down to save for the end. Of course, sometimes clarification was needed for a particular item, which is entirely appropriate. On the whole, though, I would have preferred the tangential discussion to be kept to a minimum.
The Short Review:
* The seminar was comprised of all new techniques and information.
* The format and presentation made it easy to learn and understand.
* Although it wasn’t flawless, the whole experience was definitely worth it.
* I highly recommend this Seminar if you have the desire to be good with women beyond the sarge.
Format:
The first six hours were dedicated to breaking down Relationships by type. Savoy and company have whittled down the complex variety of relationship dynamics into six categories. Savoy presented the information in a casual, friendly way while taking the time to answer questions fully.
The next four hours were spent in a more relaxed, conversational format. Attendees were invited to share their particular relationship goals while Savoy guided a round-table discussion of the issues involved in each person's unique experience. While no one was required to stay for this portion, nearly everyone did.
Content:
Savoy exhibited a thorough, deep knowledge of the material. He spent significant time breaking down each relationship category in terms of how to get it, as well as how to keep it. The categories presented are as follows:
* Friends with Benefits
* Dating/Undefined
* Multiple Relationships
* Open Relationships
* Traditional Plus
* Traditional Relationships
Savoy organized these categories in terms of the exchange between level of commitment and level of freedom in a relationship. He provided numerous examples. He explained the appropriate frame for each type, as well as tips on how to stay in a type or move from one type to the next. Savoy offered scenarios showing the mistakes most men make when in a relationship, especially men who have pick-up game.
This Seminar was a major departure from the type of information available in the community at large. I've read a lot of pick-up material, and I can honestly say that this topic is severely underrepresented elsewhere. Savoy is breaking new ground with these techniques, teaching men what to do AFTER you've got the girl(s).
The community has prepared many of us for how to get a woman to cheat on her boyfriend with you. But until now, no one has really explained how to prevent cheating in the women you date. Savoy spoke extensively about why women cheat, how to spot a woman that is predisposed to cheating, and how best to guard against your woman cheating. Best of all, he framed the discussion within the context of each relationship type rather than just traditional.
Throughout the Seminar, Savoy made several surprising insights that have permanently changed the way I see relationships. I felt illuminated in much the same way that I did when I first found the community.
Overall Impressions:
Savoy has clearly spent ample time gathering information and compiling experiences to create a comprehensive guide to managing relationships. He engaged the topic with passionate fervor—something I expect from a good speaker. I look forward to any future products that may come of this fairly new segment of community knowledge.
If you're thinking of buying this course, stop right now and just get it, it's that good. It's worth the money.
...it's what you need to know if you're in this "game" to win.
Content wise it's jammed packed full of useful relationship information whether you're a newbie (read: virgin) or had more than your fair share of relationships with beautiful women (read: i'm jealous).
I personally believe the infidelity model is pure gold and worth the price of the DVD's alone, but if you're reading this you're probably dubious as it is, so i found the Q and A session at the end of the course pretty insightful. It's where Savoy gives his own version of an FAQ from what i believe were bootcamp students at the time of the seminar recording.
Full of great advice, very sound advice on each type of relationship, model for predicting infidelity, video well produced
The Bad
Would have liked more information on traditional relationship, & A disc was a mixed bag in my opinion - some of the questions seemed not useful to me
I got the DVDs in the mail last Saturday and I literally watched them non-stop glued to every minute.
The foundations were helpful and the three rules of relationships are great guides. Next came an overview of the different types of relationships followed by general prinicpals that apply to all relationships (I would list them but I am unsure how much detail I can provide). Savoy then goes into each type of relationship in detail and provides very sound advice in each case. I myself am on the verge of a traditional relationship so I was particularly glued to this part and I found some pretty useful information there. I would have liked a bit more information on the traditional relationship because I did know some of the rules Savoy outlined from Magic Bullets and the Friends with Benefits interview. But this part was supplemented later with some interesting stuff.
After the types of relationships comes a section on how to change relationship types which was very insightful. One of my favorite parts was next: the model of predicting infidelity. This part was pure genius and I got a lot of great information here. A subheading of this came up when Savoy gave advice what to do when a guy starts flirting with your girlfriend and it was not what I expected. I have definitely addressed this issue incorrectly in the past and I was writing FURIOUSLY during this part.
After each section was a Q & A and for the most part these were helpful as well. The bonus Q & A disc was a mixed bag in my opinion. Granted, it was a bonus, but some of the questions seemed not useful to me. Maybe for others they would prove useful.
Overall, I would give this product my unreserved recommendation! The video is well produced, professional, and full of great advice. It is definitely the essential relationship guide and I am sure I will consult it frequently in the future.
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